Nobody in the history of boxing can beat the best version of Lewis. Nobody.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by FelixTrinidad, Sep 20, 2012.


  1. happydrinks

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    Who the **** are you?
     
  2. FelixTrinidad

    FelixTrinidad Boxing Addict banned

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    Post something that suits your argument.If you can convince me that Rocky Marciano is capable of beating Prime LL, I will agree with you. I'm not a nazi dude, I don't roll like that.

    Only Sithes deal in absolutes.
     
  3. FelixTrinidad

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    I did watch tape. I watched every single Lennox fight from his debut to tko6.

    They were some of the most exciting and heart pumping events known to the sport.

    What tapes of these so called 'great fighters' did you watch. You want me to break down Prime Foreman vs Prime Lewis?
     
  4. FelixTrinidad

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    He went on to avenge both his defeats. Name another HW ATG that did that. Avenge all his defeats.

    I like it how you attempted to write out a intelligent paragraph. Thank you for the honest reply. Sadly you missed out on the entire point of the thread.

    I never once said Lewis is the GOAT. He isn't.

    I said he is the GOAT H2H HW.

    H2H . Head to head match up.

    Resume wise of course he is behind Ali and a couple others. But in terms of h2h match ups you always pick the best versions? Agree? Best versions only? The BEST VERSION of Lewis is favored over the BEST version of Joe Louis. It is what it is.
     
  5. KidDynamite

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    Tyson shatters him, Ali UDs him, Holmes gives him problems and beats him, Foreman beats him

    Even a younger Tony Tucker beats him and I still think that Mercer beat him in their bout.

    Lewis is nothing special and beat mostly Tyson left overs and old, past prime boxers
     
  6. FelixTrinidad

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    Judges don't agree. The trainer John Scully personally called the fight. He had it 7-3 Lewis. I refuse to even think you are smarter then John Scully when it comes to scoring fights. You are not. Scully >then you.

    He called the fight, watch his commentary on youtube. He had it 7-3 LEWIS.

    Mercer gave a great effort, sadly he ****ing died in the 2nd half and was being hit with rapid jabs and big right hands the rest of the way. He was also being hit with multiple Young Lennox combinations.
     
  7. FelixTrinidad

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    Tyson never ever had great success against super heavys. He beat most of them, but it was over UD'S and at times he did look confused even during his prime against 6'5+ heavyweights.

    Tyson had freakish reflexes speed and his bob-weave style would create a difficult fight for Lewis.

    Lennox in his prime though was 243-245, 6'5 and had massive strength. He will use his superior size and strength to smother Mike and take away a lot of Mike's primary weapons.

    Tyson's style, was perfectly suited for Lewis. If the Lewis jab can keep Tyson at bay, it's a wide UD, with big right hands in between.

    If Tyson slips inside which he is prone to do during his prime, Lewis can use that right upper cut or tie him./lean on him. Lewis's superior strength will make it really really difficult for Tyson to get any sort of inside work going and he definitely won't allow Tyson to push him back.

    You notice I didn't use a 3 word ****** response like you did right?
     
  8. cpnasty

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    I think Ali and Holmes would have a shot.
     
  9. tezel8764

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    Muhammad Ali's Advantages (Monte D. Cox):

    1) Ali has greater speed, especially of foot.
    2) Ali has the ability to adapt and change his fight plan.
    3) Ali has the better chin and successfully absorbed the bombs of some of boxing’s most dangerous sluggers.
    4) Ali was never beaten at his best; his first loss came at age 29.

    The Muhammad Ali of 60’s was the fastest heavyweight ever. In the May 5, 1969 Sports Illustrated, Ali’s jab was measured with an omegascope. Ali’s jab, it was found, could smash a balsa board 16.5 inches away in 19/100 of a second. It actually covered the distance in 4/100 of a second, which is the blink of an eye. Jimmy Jacobs, who owned the world’s largest collection of fight films, said that on film tests with a synchronizer Ali’s jab was faster than that of Sugar Ray Robinson. Jacobs contended that Ali was not only the fastest heavyweight, but also the fastest fighter he ever saw on film.

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    Evading a sweeping left hook by Patterson. Using Lateral Movement.

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    His ability to judge distance to jab and explode into combinations and to move out safely out of Lewis's intermediate range.

    The height-Advantage will make no difference if Lewis can't force his Jab to dictate.

    Ali by UD or Late Stoppage.

    "Your hand can't grab what your fists can't jab, float like a butterfly & sting like a bee!"
    - Unknown
     
  10. FelixTrinidad

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    Best post of the thread from a great poster.

    I will need to think about this. Great post. Thanks for actually writing out a paragraph that can create debate instead of just one liner statements like some of the idiots.
     
  11. Caelum

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    I like when someone beats another opponent by UD it is not seen as "great success"...or is that only when it comes to KO Artists like Tyson?
    Especially given he was 5'11 and going up against taller Men?

    Now it may not have been to the liking to Tyson, who, like his fans, appreciate the KO victory, but damn; UD is quite good.

    Tyson would be at a disadvantage but he tends to be in his fights size wise.

    Unlike Lewis, Tyson has to be at 100% or damn close to it to have a solid shot at defeating fighters like Lewis.

    That said, for Lennox Lewis at his best, he had struggles of his own. The Ray Mercer fight was a classic and showed he can be taken out of his game just like others have been.

    But overall, Yes, Lewis at his best was hard to beat but still beatable because he is human.

    H2H a good fighter to have on your side.

    He could beat Tyson but I don't think he is knocking him out given some of his own fights where he has had a tough time and has been cautious...as well as Tyson's own ability to take a punch and be elusive at his peak. Decision win is more likely where with Tyson, he is more favored to win by KO than Lewis would be.
     
  12. FelixTrinidad

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    You got great logic in regards to Tyson. I read a lot of your posts, always learn something new.
     
  13. Caelum

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    60's Ali was amazing Physically. By the time his body fully matured, he was gone. And when he came back, WTF...I can't believe a layoff of 3 years can do that to you at such an age.

    Anybody know if he just bothered to not train at all during those 3 years?
     
  14. floyd_g.o.a.t

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    I ain't gonna deny Lewis is one of my favourite heavyweights and on his day he would find a way to beat the best of them.
     
  15. FelixTrinidad

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    In regards to Lewis vs the great one ALI.

    Can Lewis out box Ali?
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