Nobody with a poor/leaky defense is going to beat Mayweather..................

Pac has been fighting a lot of offensive stationary fighters. The hype has been generated off of their size rather than their boxing skills. Noone has stepped back and tried to box the guy and take advantage of some of his deficits. They all get caught up in overpowering him including Cotto who probably had the best chance but he fought stupid.
This is a completely different kind of fight. I could see the fight being really easy for Mayweather. Its not going to be a back and forth close battle, its going to be a one sided knockout by Pac or a one sided beating and stoppage by Mayweather, in my opinion. Styles make fights and Manny has not fought a weltwerweight that fights like Floyd. On paper its a really shitty noncrowd pleasing matchup, its just we have the two best fighters right now and they have completely different styles. Floyd will run like he did in the olympics.

 

im just gonna say i dont agree with these things the most but for the most part the whole thing is gobbage.

 

Thats because Floyd was pressing. He pressed against Corley Judah and Mosley and got nailed in all three occassions. He wont do that in this fight until late, because he will be wary of pacs speed and power.

 

Glad we cleared that one up.

 

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You see this is the problem.Nothing I say would matter to you. You say Pac was ineffective against Clottey, I say he was so effective that Clottey was too frozen to throw. You say Pac looks great against fighters who only comes after him and has crap defense, I say he looks great because he slides away, turns them, and pounds away on them....he looks that way because he has great offense. You say Pac comes in a straight line, I say he comes in angles. I mean I can go on....**** yous say Pac hoppin around is a boxing no-no?? I say it's what makes him great...being on the balls of your feet generates momentum and allows you to generate power and torque and to absorb punches better than being flat-footed (but hey, you dont believe me dont you?)

Distance? Boxing is always a battle of controlling distance. You say name one fighter pac has fought known to control distance...well, this is moot because it seems Pac wins this battle everytime he fights despite being shorter. Traditionally taller fighters control distance with the jab. SO it's not a question of who has he fought with a great jab...its more Pac can work through and around a jab and succeed. That is the point and i think you missed it.

And then you say Floyd will never chase Pac...well I say I never expected him too. The point was Pac can control distance effectively and this isnt something Floyd has an edge on exclusively. Implicit to that is closing the distance. That boxing no-no of hopping around?? Pac uses that to close distance to great effect. What else? You say that Pac only looks great because of great matchmaking....I say maybe so but at the end of the day he still has to fight them. Floyd looked good beating Hoya. Pac looked great. Floyd looked good beating Hatton....Pac looked great. Floyd looked dominat against Baldo, PAc looked dominant against a similar guy in margo but looking great while doing it. WIth Pac you get the sizzle and the steak. See where Im getting at here?

...but whatever, you already made up your mind that Pac is still this one-dimensional brawler. I used to think taht too...back in 2004.

 

I'm in shock right now after reading an actual calm debate in regard to Mayweather vs Pacquiao. Kudos to the posters on both sides for keeping it analytical. We can agree to disagree after all.

I think we can all agree on one thing though: JUST GET THEM IN THE RING!!! It's the best fight possible, and could be considered a classic fight for years to come.

 

Im not thinking Pac cant win, he can, but its not going to look like his other fights, because Mayweather wont give him he opportunities that guys like Margarito did. He must have a strategic way of getting close, because its not going to be a take one to give one type fight. Its going to be tall order, because he really doesnt have the physical size to smother Mayweather like some of the other guys that have had success against him.

 

When a fighters coming forward and you punch him in the face before he gets set to punch, you dont need a lot of power, your simply keeping the guy off balance so he can set up his punches. It takes speed and timing, and thats what Floyd does, hes never really been a big man in his fights, except maybe Marquez and Judah.

 

Left Hook is just telling it like it is.

 

again its not what he does punching that slows workrate....

its how he fights.....

One the spacing he will not be stalking Pac or there in his range the whole fight like the rest of his opponents...LESS EXCHANGES

Two he will often strike first with lead shots if they land its a plus if they dont it doenst matter he immediatley forces a hold...Pac doesnt want any parts of in-fighting with Floyd

Three...Floyd often times allows for a boxer to throw then he dips real low only to come up in their chest again this forces a slower pace

Also when he pot shots he often times pushes fighters off balance gives him that little forearm push he does it quite a bit...it knocks them off balance forcing them to reset

He also awkwardly angles his body making the first punch hard to land when he ducks well below

These things force the ref to intervene or for the other fighter to reset themselves.......

Floyd does these things an awful lot which is why his fights have been considered boring fights...he does not get into exchanges...the pace will not be like any other Pac fight you have seen and i have the feeling some of you will come out of the fight saying Pac didnt look like himself and you will be right but that will be mostly DUE to the little things Floyd does to change fights to his advantage.

 

Hes not one dimensional, but hes more brawler than boxer. He does use angles and punch in combination, but hes also shown some vulnerability to counterpunching, so thats why a lot of people think its going to be a rough fight for him against Mayweather, who I think will be more defensive than weve seen him in a long long time. He can fight that way.

 

Yeah I agree, I'll even say Mayweather could possibly make him look ordinary at times if he gets it right. But Pacquiao is a fighter, and he will give it everything...which is why I say, style or physical disadvantage or not...Pacquiao will bring the best out in Mayweather, and this may mean that he has to show more heart than in any other bout and possibly have to stand and trade at times.

 

Once again some real nice stuff here to ponder and chew on. coming to the question you pose at the end. To be honest bro, and i do not consider myself a Floyd Syncophant, but i just really never felt Floyd was in a real bother against DLH. I felt they had a gameplan and it was panning out as they expected. Much off DLH's much vaunted success were very very unclean shots.... grazing shots, and i think even the most defensive of boxing experts would accept those any day!
I howver agree that the shoulder roll is not the order for the day against the southpaw. but the beauty with floyd is that he is such a pure boxer he is technically gifted enough to try new gameplans or even switch them mid fight.
Couple of things that interest me a lot. One is the mode of stance against Moseley. It was new for Floyd, unless my eyes deceive me. It was a higher guard and more akin to fighting behind a peekaboo style. Now this really intrests me as a stylistic difference for Pac to encounter. i keep thinking of the wound up and frenzied Honeyghan rushing into the Starling and getting picked off. might be a possible gameplay, i dont know. Also just how significant was that body punch Marg caught Pac with!!! I have for a while insisted that the body attack was a an area to go for Manny. for floyd it would be a round 5 to 6 onwards strategy.... remember what happened when he went to the body against Hatton. Floyd has a great great body game that people underestimated. i was kinda shocked to see the effect of that body punch, with all that conditioning work and beating with sticks that manny does!