Nobody with a poor/leaky defense is going to beat Mayweather..................

see some more of his postings and pick out the good stuff.

the **** he brings up may be broad, but it holds weight. Rewatch the Castillo, Judah, and DLH fights. You'll see that they managed to have success because they were harder to hit. Castillo utilized good parrying along with head movement. DLH parried plenty. Zab was elusive during his spurts of success.

gooners gave a good starting point by bringing up defense against Mayweather. Almost no one else thinks along these lines when it comes to facing Mayweather. all you hear is a bunch of misinformed bull**** about throw a lot of punches from many angles, which has proven not to be the formula for success. Jesus Chavez was allowed to throw over 100 punches a round, but he got his AZZ stopped.

If he was confident and knows Floyd beats pacquiao's ass, why even bother sitting there imagining what pacquiao could do? That would be a waste of time. Some of the best predictions I seen were one-sided towards the winner.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXqpsIt2PEY[/ame]

nothing about what Cotto could have done, extremely accurate.

 

yeah they ban all the legends. :yep

 

I heard that too :-(

 

it's all one-sided and biased until its proven to be the truth

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=314pcxGkD3o[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo-Ucms_pa8[/ame]

I don't even want to bring up the reception these truthful and accurate videos got when they were first shared here.

 

i love the video analysing jmm pacman 3, them head feints were sweeeeeeeet!

 

Bogo and gooners(SJS is good too) at breaking down fights with predictions or results. Don't know why gooners2 doesn't post as much but braindead chincheckers and *******s stay, not fair. Not much more to add as gooners' old posts in this thread and leon has that covered.

 

Flawed argument. Technically no you dont have to be a great defender to beat Floyd.

Did Castillo have a great defense?

Did Oscar? He has what most most would call a leaky defense yet he was able to pick off / avoid most of Floyd's punches.


It boils down to styles. Pac has never had a good defense and never needed it either. He can take 1 or 2 to give back 3 or 4 of his own. Unfortunately for Mayweather, Floyd doesnt throw combinations, and Pac is more then willing to take 1 right hand and come back with a flurry of his own.

Watch the Clottey fight. He tried to walk Pac down with a high guard and potshot him ... sound familiar? Yet he didn't come close to winning a round because he got swamped in punches, and every time he'd throw one of his shots Pac would counter back with a flurry. Floyd has a better IQ then Clottey, and a better defense, but he'll have the same problem if his habits don't change (which they won't).

Floyd's biggest advantage in this fight is his reach, but Floyd isn't really an out-fighter either. He loves being in the pocket and actually lets opponents walk in the front door.. which brings you to his next problem , he doesn't move laterally. He fights in lines, and Pac will make him pay for that no question.

 

This is your Grand Example?

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2 examples of fighters who didn't beat Floyd is kind of pointless wouldn't you say?

Using Clottey as an example is also pointless because him and Floyd fight nothing alike. Both being defensive minded does not make them similar. Clottey doesn't use his legs much. He's content in staying grounded and letting his opponents wail away on his arms till they get done throwing combinations and then he tries an opportunity to throw a punch or 2. Using that against Pac is worthless as he won't stop throwing.

Floyd won't just sit in one spot and let you throw all day unless of course he's baiting you. Which means he's found a weakness to exploit.

You say he doesn't move laterally and I say he does whatever is needed to win. If he can get away with moving one direction he will. But if his opponent negates that then he will change it up.

 

No, No, NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I refuse to believe someone posting in a boxing forum is this dumb! I'm not falling for that joke.

 

Comparing Clottey to Floyd now? Ahhh *******s lol. Never fail to fail.

 

Other than that they're are both defense-first nothing else is similar. And if you honestly don't know just watch clips of them on youtube. Their styles are as different as night and day.

 

Most people believe Castillo won. Oscar made him look ordinary and Floyd had a hard time penetrating what most would call a standard / leaky defense.

I'm not comparing Clottey to Floyd, I'm demonstrating the fact that fighting in lines and potshotting is a poor gameplan against Pacquiao. Floyd does look for counter opportunites, and hes good with upperbody movement but he still doesnt move laterally, he fights you through the front door. He fights that way because that's his style ,and that's not going to change. Every fighter has built in habits that make them behave the way that they do, and that includes Floyd.

Either does Floyd. Did you see Floyd moving around a lot against Ortiz? Judah? Mitchell? Corley? All southpaws.

He won't sit in one spot 'all day' but he does have a tendency to become stationary on defense , or cover up when he's under fire.

Again, I'm not saying Clottey and Floyd are the same but they do have similar stylistic tendencies, mainly the habit of only throwing 1 or 2 punches at a time, covering up on defense, and coming straight forward, or straight back - fighting you through the front door. All of these habits could potentially play into Pacquiao's hands, have to realize that.

 

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Most people believe Castillo won. Oscar made him look ordinary and Floyd had a hard time penetrating what most would call a standard / leaky defense.

I'm not comparing Clottey to Floyd, I'm demonstrating the fact that fighting in lines and potshotting is a poor gameplan against Pacquiao. Floyd does look for counter opportunites, and hes good with upperbody movement but he still doesnt move laterally, he fights you through the front door. He fights that way because that's his style ,and that's not going to change. Every fighter has built in habits that make them behave the way that they do, and that includes Floyd.

Either does Floyd. Did you see Floyd moving around a lot against Ortiz? Judah? Mitchell? Corley? All southpaws.

He won't sit in one spot 'all day' but he does have a tendency to become stationary on defense , or cover up when he's under fire.

Again, I'm not saying Clottey and Floyd are the same but they do have similar stylistic tendencies, mainly the habit of only throwing 1 or 2 punches at a time, covering up on defense, and coming straight forward, or straight back - fighting you through the front door. All of these habits could potentially play into Pacquiao's hands, have to realize that.