Nobody with a poor/leaky defense is going to beat Mayweather..................

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  1. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Chavez????:lol::rofl:lol: PBF hit Chavez with so many clean uppercuts and counters I thought he might kill the guy. I could very well see that happening with Pac as well becasue he's just as reckless. What you fail to understand is that PBF loves pressure especially uneducated pressure like the type that Chavez and Pac bring. Not behind a tight guard and not behind a jab not trying to cut the ring. He eats guys like that for lunch.:deal
     
  2. gooners!!

    gooners!! Boxing Junkie banned

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    I'll be honest with you, I have, although I am willing to take any valid arguments that refute what im trying to assert :thumbsup


    I think that could be a potential factor, but again, I guess it comes down to whether you subscribe to the notion he has lost his legs, if he has, that could be a window of opportunity for Manny, that said, I dare say Floyd will still be pretty hard to beat, what with his ability to counter punch, dictate space and distance with his considerable reach.


    I do think Mayweather will land that lead right and slide away, particularly if Manny fights as purposefully as he usually does, looking to hurt Mayweather, infact I anticipate that would make it easier for him, also, keep in mind, Mayweather has a considerable reach advantage, he can get away with it from further out.
    It is.

    I give Manny props for his athleticism, infact I think that is what makes him such a phenom, but where as athletes like Roy Jones shared the same kind of athleticism, he was a more intelligent fighter than Manny, with a better defense, so knew how to use that advantage to neutralize a defensive technician, I dont think Manny does, nothing against the man, the fighter, just dont see that from him.

    I think there might be spell where Manny has a degree of success, simply cause he will keep trying, has a big engine, can possibly overwhelm Mayweather if Mayweather sits around the ropes, that said, I dont see any of that happening consistently.


    I think im doing that.


    Cant argue with that.
     
  3. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Precisely why Manny Pacquaio was never really able to get the better of Marquez in 2 fights despite his tremendous attributes.
     
  4. Relentless

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    a defensive fighter will never beat floyd.
     
  5. Outboxer

    Outboxer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I favour Floyd to win, too.

    Pac, however, is a very live underdog. The shoulder-roll won't keep Floyd safe from those lightning fast Pac combos, so he'll probably try using the shell guard that he employed against Judah, and in places against Shane, after he got tagged in that second round. Floyd seems to use that shell guard when he's wary of the other guy's speed and power -- it's like exchanging his usual thin, light armour for chainmail. The shoulder-roll gives him greater sight and mobility, which is why he prefers it -- the shell guard gives him a more trustworthy defence against a fast guy, but it also limits his movement and vision. It's why Judah was able to land some good bodyshots when Floyd used it -- because Floyd was too busy protecting his head to see all of Zab's movements below.

    Why is this important? Because, if Floyd does indeed use the shell guard against Pac, as I expect him to, then he's not going to be as elusive as usual. Pac will hit a lot of gloves, but he'll also find ways around it, like combos to the body (seen in the Clottey bout) or left straights right through the middle and hooks around the gloves, as in the Margo bout. I'm not sure how Floyd will deal with it -- he'll find a way, but I wouldn't be surprised if he gets beaten up in this match. Pac is a special fighter, and even if he has leaky defence, he has the ability to test Floyd in ways we've never seen. It's possible that he'll finally force Floyd to bring out his A game, the sort of thing he never has to do...and then things will really get interesting.
     
  6. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Amir Khan will give Floyd his hardest fight in early 2012!
     
  7. gooners!!

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    I dont think he will do that, I think he will exclusively use his legs, but when/if he does hold his feet, he wont invite Pac into mid range to counter, he will dictate from behind the jab, and try and bring him onto counters.

    Mayweather wont allow that gap to close up if he can help it imo.
     
  8. USboxer1981

    USboxer1981 The Real Def. MVP Full Member

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    Castillo's defense is pretty leaky
     
  9. horst

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    If you are being sarcastic - I agree with you.

    If you are being serious - you're an idiot.

    I despise Mayweather, but even I know he is far, far too complete to ever lose to a guy who throws one jab at a time in case he takes a punch back.

    There is no conceivable way in hell that Khan is even competitive with Mayweather - and I quite like Khan!

    Two completely different levels of fighter.

    The second fighter who beats Floyd after Castillo MUST throw good combinations, and Khan doesn't.
     
  10. horst

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    PBF dismantled Chavez... AFTER he realized fighting Chavez at his own game was too difficult, and changed his tactics.

    Pac's footwork/movement is what sets him apart from someone like Chavez.

    If this fight ever happens, you will see. :good
     
  11. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Nope, Khan will have good defense and a good jab. He is still hasn't hit his prime yet!
     
  12. Outboxer

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    He hasn't used much leg movement in recent bouts, though. There has been a lot of speculation as to if he's fading in that department...it's certainly not unprecedented, as plenty of fighters have become more stationary as they've grown older. They've had to, to adapt to the way their legs tire more easily over time. If Floyd can still move about the ring in the way he did against Corrales, that would be great though, yeah. He can take advantage of Pac's lack of ability in cutting the ring off. You mention the jab, and that's yet another thing that we haven't seen from Floyd in quite some time...well, we HAVE seen it, but not in a really dedicated fashion that you imply in your post. The jab would certainly be a key factor if he decided to really apply it -- I've always liked Floyd's jab, and wondered why he doesn't use it more often.
     
  13. horst

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    I think you're wrong, I don't believe you are adequately considering the technical side of this fight with regard to what Pac brings to the table, but I do respect the way you put your point across and conduct yourself. You are a vastly superior poster to uncultured gimps like Leon.
     
  14. gooners!!

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    I dont think its as leaky as Manny's, Manny get hits clean way too much.

    If you watch closely, Castillo kept his hands up, so if something did land, you could not always see whether it landed clean, but the most important aspect, was the he used head and shoulder feints as he closed the distance, fought patiently until he maneuvered Floyd outta the center, into areas where he could go to work.
     
  15. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Floyd used the jab moar in his last two fights compared to the prior-retirement 2007 edition of Floyd Mayweather. Having Joy Sr back in the camp has put emphasis on the jab, Sr preaches a stiff jab!