Non-ATG's With The Best Resumes

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Fighters that aren't Muhammad Ali's, Roberto Duran's or Rocky Marciano's... But a cut below with extremely impressive resumes none the less.

    Lets do what we've done in other threads and pick a fighters best five wins.

    How about Ken Buchanan?

    Beats a 19-0 Chang Kil Lee in two. Strangely, Lee had a win over Guts Ishimatsu who would later beat Ken.

    Ends Carlos Ortiz's career in impressive fashion. Carlos was at the end of his career but he was on a solid winning streak.

    Twice beats Ismael Laguna, who again has a win over Guts Ishimatsu who Ken himself couldn't beat.

    The last two names could be any number of solid wins.

    Frankie Otero (Again, twice) Jim Watt, Al Ford, Carlos Hernandez, Donato Paduano, and so on.

    So, who've you got?
     
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  2. JohnThomas1

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    I think some might argue Kenny is indeed an ATG.

    Some have Braxton/Qawi falling short, he's got a fine track record. Marlon Starling too.
     
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  3. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm basically talking about the very top of the elite class of fighters.

    I think Ken was slightly below that.

    All I'm saying.
     
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  4. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Ok, so lower level ATG's and lesser. Let me think lol
     
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  5. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Not quite sure what you mean here.
    I do rate Kenny & Dwight as ATG's.
     
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  6. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Is Kenny as great as Duran?

    Is Dwight as great as Micheal Spink's?

    That's my measuring stick and the kind of fighters I'm looking for.
     
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  7. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fritzie Zivic     fought in the Golden Era and he fought everybody.

    He's got wins over Armstrong in '41, Kid Azteca, Bummy Davis, Lamotta, Sammy Angott, Eddie Booker, and... Charlie Burley. Naming all the solid guys he fought over 233 fights and 17 years would take too long.
     
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  8. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    I don't consider Joey Maxim an ATG, so I think he takes this.

    Ray Robinson, Jersey Joe Walcott, Floyd Patterson, Jimmy Bivins, Gus Lesnevich, Freddie Mills, Bob Satterfield.

    That's an excellent resume by any standards (even if you take out the Robinson win due to the circumstances).
     
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  9. Loewe

    Loewe internet hero Full Member

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    Virgil Hill:
    beat: Bobby Czyz, James Kinchen; Fabrice Tiozzo 2 times; Henry Maske; Valery Brudov
    lost: Dariusz Michaelchewski; Roy Jones Junior; Thomas Hearns; Firat Arslan

    Dariusz Michaelchewski:
    beat: Graziano Roccigiani 2 times; Virgil Hill; Montell Griffin; Richard Hall 2 times
    lost: Julio Cesar Gonzalez; Fabrice Tiozzo

    Henry Maske:
    beat: Charles Williams; Iran Barkley; Graziano Roccigiani 2 times; Virgil Hill
    lost: Virgil Hill

    Sven Ottke
    beat: Charles Brewer 2 times; Glen Johnson; Silvio Branco; Anthony Mundine; Rudy Markussen; Byron Mitchell; Mads Larsen; (Robin Reid)
    lost: - (Robin Reid)
     
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  10. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Lloyd Marshall


    He beat

    Ezzard Charles
    Charley Burley
    Holman Williams
    Jake Lamotta
    Joey Maxim
    Teddy Yarosz
    Jack Chase
    Freddie Mills
    Lou Brouillard
    Ken Overlin
    Eddie Babe Risko
    Anton Christoforidis
    Shorty Hogue







    I consider Lloyd Marshall a great fighter, but many here at ESB underate him. He was arguebably the best out of the murders row.







    Another non ATG with a very good resume is Joey Maxim

    He beat


    Sugar Ray Robinson
    Floyd Patterson
    Jersey Joe Walcott
    Jimmy Bivins
    Bob Satterfield
    Freddie Mills
     
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  11. Rebel-INS

    Rebel-INS Mighty Healthy Full Member

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    They both have a very impressive list of wins over some great fighters.
     
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  12. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    is that really Zivic?

    it doesnt look like him.
     
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  13. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    SuzieQ is spot on with Lloyd Marshall. The guy has an amazing resume with the likes of Charles, Burley, Williams and LaMotta all notable scalps but didn't get inducted into the IBHOF.
     
    TommyV, Aug 20, 2008
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  14. Ezzard

    Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Zivic and Maxim came straight to mind.

    Lloyd Marshall doesn't count. He IS an all-time great...

    How about Ernesto Marcel? Too good for this category?
     
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  15. Rebel-INS

    Rebel-INS Mighty Healthy Full Member

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    How the hell has he not been inducted? Ridiculous.
     
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