Non-Greats Who Possessed Sublime Skills

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    People marvel at the skill sets of great fighters like Pernell Whitaker, Muhammad Ali, Ricardo Lopez, Roberto Duran, Floyd Mayweather, Jose Napoles, James Toney. They were all at one time complete fighters or damn near it, and possessed the combined attributed needed to be great.

    My question is, what fighters who for whatever reason weren't great fighters, still possessed great skills? It may have been because of a lack of longevity, durability issues, a weak resume, poor exposure. Anything really.

    Another question to float out there... who was the "worst" fighter you've ever seen who you would still categorize as possessing elite skills in the ring?

    I'd love some obscure shout outs and discussion. A fighter of course doesn't necessarily need to of been a world champion or ever even gained much exposure to of obviously been very talented.

    As far as active fighters go, Jorge Linares is about as smooth and skillful a fighter as you'll see anywhere but the very lowest weight classes. His fragile skin, none the less his iffy durability, have hampered him as much as it has any fighter. He cuts up in the worst of ways, like a latter career Jose Napoles or John Conteh.

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    I also think Denis Shafikov possesses unbelievable skills in the ring. I haven't seen a fighter sit in the pocket and slip under punches like that in years. He's only 5'5 but routinely out jabs and imposes himself on fighters who are up to a half foot taller than him. Check out his brutal deconstruction of teak tough Rustam Nugaev.

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  2. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    29 views and no responses. Good stuff guys, thanks for the contribution to anything besides the same regurgitated topics on this forum. Cheers! :borra2:
     
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  3. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    First time I've viewed this post...honest.

    Anyway I think former Featherweight World Champ Johnny Famechon fits the criteria. He was overly defensive, lacked pop, was given a gift against Harada the first time and arguably the Jose Legra fight (conversely you could make a case he was robbed in the Saldivar fight though) but his movement and defensive skills were sublime. He was never stopped in 60 fights despite not possessing an iron chin which I think is a testament to his defensive ability.

    I wished he used his right hand more and was a touch more aggressive but that said I could watch him box all day. Just a beautiful boxer.

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  4. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Great post griffo, thank you!
     
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  5. lufcrazy

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    Zan Judah is an obvious shout.
     
  6. JohnThomas1

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    To keep things rolling i like Buddy McGirt quite a bit. Marlon Starling impressed too. Eddie Mustafa Muhammad was amazing at times. Some of the best talent i have ever seen.
     
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    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Some candidates:

    Saoul Mamby -- ran hot and cold, but was a joy to watch. Real skills, no pop, fought pretty much anyone and everyone in his era.

    Eddie Mustafa Muhammad -- all the tools physically, but lacked the motivation and fortitude to live up to his potential.

    Angel Espada -- Puerto Rican slickster could make most anyone look bad, but ran into his kryptonite in the form of Pipino Cuevas ... three times.

    Randy Shields -- not as smooth or skilled as these others, but had a rugged, roguish kind of way about him and competed at the top levels ... had to watch him closely to really appreciate his ability.

    Marcos Geraldo -- a rangy middleweight who gave a rising SR Leonard fits and Marvin Hagler a good go ... wildly inconsistent. But at his best, a handful for most anyone.
     
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  9. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I viewed it 5 extra times

    not seen kalule mentioned recently, lovely boxer

    agreed on espada and conteh
     
  10. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Larry Donald fits too. Only a smallish heavy with negligible power but he had very neat skills and great movement and really put some schoolings on some decent fighters (Witherspoon, Jeremy Williams, Bert Cooper and washed up Holyfield) but seemed to falter every time time he faced a top tier opponent (Bowe, Kirk Johnson, Vitali). I think he was a front runner as much as anything but he could look really good when on song.

    Reggie Johnson is worth a shout as well. He's remembered more for his losses than his wins but he was a top shelf technician who did everything very, very well, He won world titles in two divisions but remains firmly in the shadow of the likes of Jones, Toney, Benn, McClellan and Eubank despite being every bit as good as some of those (as his razor thin loss to Toney will attest to). He's a guy who only ever lost narrowly with the exception of the Roy Jones bout and remained highly competitive until his mid 30's up to Lt Heavy which was a division he was physically not ideally suited to. His all round skill set was very impressive for mine.
     
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  11. Russell

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    Great, great posts from several posters here. Thanks much for the shout outs so far, everyone.

    Is there any love on here for the likes of Ivan Calderon?
     
  12. Bokaj

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    Has Kalambay been mentioned yet? Harold Johnson? Also Dwight Qawi.

    But they are perhaps too great to qualify.
     
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    Floyd Mayweather sr.
     
  14. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Anyone know anything about Mike Hunter? I've never been able to find too much film on him, but supposedly he was a small but skilled heavyweight who sprang a few upsets. I've always been interested in the undersized but very skilled heavyweights who can hang with their much larger opponents. Jimmy Young is one of my favorite fighters. That tells you everything you need to know right there, lol.
     
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    Kirkland Laing, Howard Winstone.
     
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