Nonito donaire, a top 50 atg?

think i'll start my next "Score fights while drunk and high" Friday Boxing Fest with that one :good

 

Sounds like a good idea!

 

i'm blessed with the most patient wife imaginable who puts up with my boxing shennanigans and is more than happy to come to the IBHOF with me this year :good she rolls her eyes patiently as I yell "did you see what willie pastrano just did?! let me rewind it for you..."

 

I wish my wife was like that :-(

 

I am not bipolar. I'm sound to everyone who isn't a massive mong. AlFrancis has met me, I didn't call him a ****** or swear at him because he's a sound bloke. You on the other hand do not know when you're wrong and make misguided assumptions and back them up by essentially saying 'I can't be wrong because I'm making it up as I go along'. atsch

You really don't get it. Everything you have said regarding my opinions is worthless because I have seen the fights and done the research. You will never learn more about these fighters than what I have told you.

I was talking about the first Fanechon fight. Which you haven't seen,

Why did Jofre obviously beat those guys that way? Spurious you are literally GUESSING!

I am blocking you as you offer nothing. You will never teach me anything and you're basically a troll because you're so ignorant and such a spasticated poster (not surprising as you're from Essex)

 

He'd need all those names, and he needs them soon, while they are relevant. He has a good CV, but only Darchinyan and Vasquez were at their peak and "legit" in your definition when he fought them, a Vasquez is a pretty weak titlist.

Donaire is heading for greatness. But a legend? He has a ways to go.

 

Vasquez had been caught up to by Arce before that. Don't think he even had a trinket at that point.

Moruti, Vic, Montiel. All very good scalps IMO.

 

I forgot Montiel. Probably his best scalp. Cracking left hook.

 

Supoib! And in Donaire's defence Montiel weighed more than him (for once)

 

There's no footage of the Ebihara fight.

Only reason I keep slagging you off is because you are making statements and assumptions. For example 'Harada only scraped past these opponents' because you've seen the scorecards on boxrec.

Apologies if I offended you with the Essex remark was just a gag. Your university tutelage means nothing as to your application of boxing knowledge so doesn't change my opinion in that respect.

Good luck learning but seems to me you've made your mind up already.

 

Opening salvo.

We measure fighters about 4 ways- longevity, consistency/dominance (two sides of the same coin but still distinct), quality of opposition, and head to head. For the purposes of this leave h2h out as that us by far the most subjective and probably the least useful since it rewards fighters who peak extremely high Evan if only for a few fights (call this the Buster Douglas problem).

Let's look at Jofre and Harada in terms of the first two. In terms of longevity there isn't a contest; Haradas first and last title win took place five years apart. Let's give Harada all the way to the Famechon which I think he won, and that's eight years. Jofres first title win: 1960. His last was 13 years later in 1973. Even If we take of the three years he was retired that is still longer than Haradas entire career. And Jofre kept fighting and winning.

Consistency and dominance are harder to measure as they are subjective but it is the authors opinion that Jofre was Haradas superior in both; not by large margins but by enough. Harada could be argued to be more accomplished as he won undisputed titles in two divisions and nearly nabbed a piece of a third. But Jofre is certainly more constant, not having those pesky losses that Harada does. Jofre was never stopped as Harada was twice and the draws that dot his record are more indicative of the quirky Brazilian scoring system than an inability to best local competition. Jofre wasn't just winning fights; he was knocking the best fighters in. the world out. Let's give them a tie for dominance, Haradas ass whippings being matched by Jofres knockouts. Surely though Jofre was more consistent putting together longer winning streaks. Hell the only man who best Jofre was Harada and even those fights were close. I've got Jofre up a little so far.

Flea counterpoint!

 

When you look at the longevity of these to you've got to take into account lifestyles. I won't say Harada was a party animal but he did have a tendency to blow up between fights. Jofre on the other hand was a vegetarian I think who kept his weight down, kept himself in shape and had a nice 3 years sabbatical which he started when he was still a relatively young man.

 

Jofre for clearly for longevity and consistency.

Jofre for dominance.

Harada clearly for quality of opposition.