Norris vs Vargas

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Xplosive, Oct 7, 2020.


  1. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    24,340
    9,952
    Jun 23, 2008
    91-92 Norris vs 99-00 Vargas
     
  2. HolDat

    HolDat Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,593
    2,745
    Sep 25, 2020
    A real thinker...... Norris may survive like the Waters fight but Vargas would have his moments.
     
    Toney F*** U likes this.
  3. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    24,340
    9,952
    Jun 23, 2008
    I've always said that there's two things Vargas was vulnerable to - handspeed and left hooks. Norris had both great handspeed and a potent left hook. I think that'd be the difference.

    I do think at some point Nando hurts Norris, but I just don't see him closing the show. I think Norris controls most of the fight, then at some point late he catches Vargas with a big left he doesn't see, and drops him. Vargas rises on wobbly legs, Norris jumps on him with a combination, ref stops it.

    Norris TKO 11.
     
    HolDat and Toney F*** U like this.
  4. 88Chris05

    88Chris05 Active Member Full Member

    1,393
    3,223
    Aug 20, 2013
    Great matchup. Two quality boxers who could brawl and were prone to doing it a little too much when they should have been boxing clever. Also both a bit vulnerable largely for that reason.

    I think Norris was the quicker and slightly more skilled / gifted, with Vargas being a little tougher, though of course he could also be got at and hurt. He probably had better powers of recovery than Norris, at a push. Vargas had good timing and underrated footwork but Norris' sheer speed and movement is unlike anything else he ever faced, and it's going to be hard for him to offset. He probably can't decision Norris.

    He could certainly stop him, but I think @Xplosive has laid out a pretty plausible scenario above - eventually Vargas just gets a little too overeager and brave for his own good and pays the price. I guess the problem here is that it takes a leap of faith to go with Vargas, because he never quite hit the heights he seemed destined for and tended to just fall short in his defining fights (I don't believe he beat Winky, but I'll concede it was probably close enough to broker some debate). Norris had some disappointing losses as well, but he also had potential tricky and dangerous assignments were he really did rise to the occasion and shine (Castro, Brown rematch etc.) which is a reassuring factor here, for me.

    Norris by late stoppage after a cracker.
     
  5. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    24,340
    9,952
    Jun 23, 2008
    I had Wright winning 7-5 over Vargas. I think a draw would have been justified. It'd be hard to give it to Vargas 7-5, but possible if you give him every benefit.

    Wright got robbed worse in the Jermain Taylor fight. I had him beating Taylor 8-4.
     
    George Crowcroft likes this.
  6. ideafix12

    ideafix12 Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,011
    863
    Jul 30, 2010
    Vargas in a war
    Vargas before 6
     
  7. 88Chris05

    88Chris05 Active Member Full Member

    1,393
    3,223
    Aug 20, 2013
    Pretty much in line with you on how I saw Winky-Vargas. I had Wright by a couple of rounds or so. Wouldn't have grumbled with a draw, with the caveat that it'd probably have been a little kinder to Vargas than Winky. But a Vargas win outright? I think he got away with one there. Not in the robbery category, but definitely in the dubious one.

    Been a while since I watch Taylor against Wright, but I've always been swimming against the tide on it. Most see it the same as you, a clear win for Wright. I didn't at the time and didn't on further viewing. I'm not saying that Wright didn't win it, but I saw a very close fight which wasn't particularly easy to score and which was open to interpretation. From experience I suspect most would take your view of that one over mine, though.
     
    George Crowcroft likes this.
  8. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,116
    5,732
    Feb 26, 2009
    It matters how Fernando goes about it. He cannot sit back in this one he has to go for it and make it into a war and stop Terry within 4 rounds. And he could do it.
     
    Toney F*** U likes this.
  9. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

    7,215
    11,471
    Oct 16, 2019
    Vargas could potentially stop Norris if he turns it into a slug fest. If Norris doesn’t get caught up in a war I’d favor him to stop Vargas late in the fight
     
    Xplosive likes this.
  10. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    24,340
    9,952
    Jun 23, 2008
    Even in a slugfest, there's no guarantee Vargas wins. He never had the best chin himself, and he wasn't some lights out puncher like Jackson.

    What is a guarantee is that a stoppage is Vargas' only chance. He damn sure isn't outboxing Norris.