Norton VS Schmeling

This would be a slow, tedious fight...

I take Max. He was at his best, Ken was a bit on the decline. In a tight match up, thats generally a good way to separate.

 

I'm gonna come to Norton's defense here............. Norton gets ****ed over a lot by critics....... Just cuz he got smoked by prime Foreman in '74 Caracass and had three tuff calls with Ali, doesn't mean he cannot kick huge ass otherwise..... Forget his '79 and '81 waxed losses to "Shavers and Cooney" at the taile end; Norton was fried then.......

IMO! '75 Norton at 217 pumped pounds beats early 1930s Schmeling of 192 pounds in a hard fight....bbb

Norton is a decent boxer and good puncher, as is Schmeling..... I think strength rules over styles here....... Norton is stronger....... IMO!
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NORTON!!:hat:think

MR.BILL:hat

 

Schmeling by mid round KO. Both were unusual fighters but Schmeling had the better boxing brain and would come up with a plan to land the right hand often. And he had enough power to take Norton out with it. Norton would give a good account of him but would get battered and knocked down and get badly hurt in the last round of their fight when the ref steps in to save him. Schmeling TKO7 Norton.

 

:deal We've finally agreed on something, Mr. B. Norton's size is significant here. His natural size. He's going to be very strong in there against Max. I favor Norton, but I'm not sure by decision or stoppage.

 

Norton by unanimous decision.
Schmelling was a good boxer,who was too skillful on the night for a still slightly raw Joe Louis,in their first clash. Ken's body punching would slow Max up,and strength would prevail.

 

Schmeling would beat him and knock him out. In about 8 or 9 rounds.

 

Max start out on the defensive with his pawing jab while circling Ken and forcing him to reset his stance. Ken tries coming out aggressive but feels the right hand of Max and that keeps Ken at bay. Close fight until Max opens up and an exchange takes place with Ken getting the better in rds 6-7-8 Max lands a powerful right hand at the end of the 8th and comes out strong in the 9th Ken's punches are wide and looping but Max zero's in with strait quick punches and solid quick right hands. Max buckles Kens legs driving him into the ropes and a right hand leaves Ken sprawling in a heap....Ref does not count..raises Max hand

 

Great scenario...you beat me to it Bummy...Schmeling would have been a most difficult target for Norton...and nobody can tell me that Schmeling's springloaded right hand wouldn't have found Norton's chin inevitably...and he would methodically finished him off just as you say..all this despite the size disparity.

 

This too:deal

 

Max had the stance and defensive positioning to neutralize Ken's peculiar up from under jab. Schmeling held his head too far back for Norton's right uppercut to have any value here, and he'd be easily under Ken's overhand right. Norton is too tall to crouch under Max, who even got below the 5'7" Walker at times, actually making Mickey fight from an upright position. Kenny would have to do it with his hook, as Walker tried to, and have no more success.

A low jab is death in spades against a counter right like Schmeling's, and Max was able to deal with the cross armed defense of the physically powerful Uzcudun, although Max Baer later had some success covering up with the cross arm after unloading his right. Schmeling had a 76 inch reach to Norton's 80 inches, not a particularly significant advantage for Ken. Max weighed more than at least one opponent who knocked out Norton, and sub 200 pounders Eastling, Dutra and Vic Brown also decked him in his early career.

I don't see Norton solving the riddle here. He offers little that Max didn't see in his career, specifically the cross armed defense, while Ken never saw the likes of Schmeling.

 

Norton wins based on size and strength imo but Schmelling would have a punchers chance for sure. I think Nortons defense and jab would negate a lot of schmellings power and right hand though

 

it would be a total chess match until norton gets tagged or schmelling feels threatened

 

I see Norton as a defensive nightmare for the great defensive counterpunchers of history, but I suspect that Schmeling is the exception.

Schmeling is a unique breed of defensive counterpuncher who has ways of feeding off his opponents pressure.