Not a robbery if no one does anything to win

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by The Italarican, Dec 20, 2008.


  1. tonsetzer

    tonsetzer ! Full Member

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    Well, that sums it up perfectly. How anybody can insist that this was a clear fight to score is beyond me. How can you cry robbery in a fight where both participants did close to nothing? Holyfield did not perform like a champion, nor did Valuev. They should have declared Valuev the winner and then strip him of the title cause of inhuman disgusting performance...
     
  2. Bo Bo Olson

    Bo Bo Olson Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No, Holyflied won 4 or 5 of the first 6 and Valuov won 4 or 5 of the last 6, so a draw was possible, (as one judge saw...once judge was blind as normal....and one judge had a one point up for Valuov.... and a one point win for Valuov is as I saw it....a bit of running is one thing, trying to do a marathon....plus Champion bonus was the difference.
    Holy ran just a bit too much for a bit too long. IMO.
    I swear Holy looked 35 in face and body.
    He did much better than I expected.

    Too many Rose colored glasses, and I was hoping for Holy.
     
  3. Superfuzz

    Superfuzz Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I totally disagree, and I am tired of writing why guys like you are wrong. If anyone who knows Heavyweight boxing saw the fight, knows Holyfield won the fight. Even olympic boxing would have scored the fight for Holyfield.

    Sauerland needs that belt to keep making money in that part of the world, and that is all the decision was about. The decision had nothing to do with the game of boxing, just business.
     
  4. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree it's just romanticising things because it's Holyfield. Holyfield did nothing, he didn't even come to fight (which is excusable given his age) but it's unfair to credit him with something he didn't do. He did nothing himself... I'd have given a draw for both of them being so inactive...
     
  5. Bazooka

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    I have no idea what fight you were watching but Evander did more and scored more in each round than Valuev did. Some how you saw Valuev scoring shots which I didnt see much of at all he barley threw shots at Evander I mean come on already, his trainer told him going into the last round you have to knock him out what do you think that means:think Do you think it means the fight was close?
     
  6. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Holyfield never did anything he threw 4 or 5 shots a round at most he certainly did not deserve to win anymore then the guy moving forward Valuev. That fight was certainly not a robery...
     
  7. Bazooka

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    Yes he did throw more than two or three shots per round, he was actually in some rounds double hooking and firing the right hand working the body in some rounds both sides.

    Again I dont know what fight some of you were watching or perhaps you were just as lost as Valuev was, Maybe you were stuck in Aww at how Big Valuev was compaired to Holyfield, but the bottom line is Evander out worked Valuev in nearly every single round, and the round that I did give to Valuev was close enough to give to Holyfield to be honest with you.
     
  8. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well I think you had Holy holyman glasses on. The fight was a pile of tripe, an embarrassment for boxing and both were as bad as each other - neither deserved to win. I can't be bothered discussing this appalling fight anymore...
     
  9. jakelamotta

    jakelamotta Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Holyfield won. Robbery.
     
  10. Bodysnatcher

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  11. tonsetzer

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    Im thinking the same: What the hell were you watching? Maybe a s!itty, laggy 4" internet stream? I had it on my comfortable 42" Panasonic, and the term "outwork" implies that one of the two fighters were really doing anything in the ring.
     
  12. Bazooka

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    This is exactly why they have the fight closer than it really was.:good
     
  13. tonsetzer

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    Actually i was critizizing you, you joker:hi::rofl
     
  14. The Italarican

    The Italarican Pretty Good Poster Full Member

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    Which were the rounds that Holyfield absolutely won, in the sense that if someone scored that specific round even or for Valuev it would be completely in error?

    The one round you gave to Valuev was close enough to give to Holyfield? All the rounds were close because neither guy did much of anything.

    Again, this is from someone who scored it for Holyfield. A questionable decision? That goes without saying. Saying this was a robbery is disservice to the true robberies out there: the Casamayor-Santa Cruz's, Foreman-Briggs's, and the Lewis-Holyfield 1's of the world (and in no way would I argue that Holyfield being the beneficiary of that draw should justify him being robbed in another fight).
     
  15. tonsetzer

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    I had Bergeron up by 3 or 4 points against Valuev. That was much more of a robbery than tonights fight.