Not a single soul up to 147lbs takes Saitama Inoue's power. None. (feat. Top Rank Highlight Reel)

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  1. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "The man who has no imagination has no wings."
    - Muhammad Ali
     
  2. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I already do. He's one of the only guys under 130 I even pay attention to. He's absolutely a generational talent. I haven't seen this fight yet (I was an idiot and went in to work instead of working at home) but I already said if the scores were what the rbr suggest he should be p4p 1. To say he has the ability to knockout WW's though is silly, I'm not silly.
     
  3. Redbeard7

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    Pacquiao's KO ratio across 54 fights prior to becoming a full-time 147 pounder was 69% (19% lower than Inoue's current ratio, not 36% lower) but he only stopped 1/17 opponents post-Cotto. So weight clearly played a role in reducing his stopping power. As Inoue moves up the divisions he'll have the same problem Pac did, albeit perhaps to a lesser degree.

    Wilder actually supports the point in reverse: he failed to KO his biggest opponent over three fights, whereas he stopped everyone else across 43. And Wilder is a 15-17 stone man in his own right, all muscle and bone at 6'6+. Heavyweights can also punch harder both in absolute and proportional terms.
     
  4. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    Spence walks around much heavier than 147 pounds.
     
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  5. Diddy

    Diddy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    147?! Against Crawford and Spence and Ennis? Now you’re just being insane.
     
  6. Patrick Crusius

    Patrick Crusius New Member banned Full Member

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    and you are MUCH heavier than that you tubby beaner , you're never in shape you fat mess :risas3:
     
  7. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mate... this is Inoue's fifth weight class (skipped fly). Do you get the impression his power is waning?

    HWs punching harder P4P is a myth not backed up by stats. Wilder is not a typical HW but a god given puncher sparking ppl. 50 lbs out. Pac never had that sort of power as his results show. Inoue does, in both hands.

    Then again: do you get the impression Inoue's power is waning?
     
  8. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How many weight classes had Pac been though by the time he got to welter, counting those he skipped? I think it was a lot more than five.

    "HWs punching harder P4P is a myth not backed up by stats"

    Fightnomics (MMA striking but still quantifies it) claims otherwise. It finds an almost linear progression between weight and KO ratio. One-punch KO's are most frequent at heavyweight, not in the Sunny Edwards divisions. No big puncher at 108 lbs (for instance) is going to put down a quality fighter who is 40 lbs heavier. Even if a heavy were 80 lbs heavier than Wilder he's a seriously dangerous puncher, far more than any top light fly is to a decent welter.

    "Then again: do you get the impression Inoue's power is waning?"

    Not much at 122 but there are limits, as Pac eventually found out.
     
  9. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How you reckon his limit is below 147 when 105 lbs PacMan of much lower KO% obliterated Hatton at 140? The example you use defeats your own argument. Inoue is a MUCH bigger puncher, evidenced by a 90% KO ratio in title fights and single shot to unconsciousness highlight reels.

    Then again, drop the double standards. If Tyson & Wilder, small HWs sparked far larger opposition, it can and is has been and being and will be done in smaller weights, Pac's a great example. What about 180lbs-ish Marciano? Wasn't no HW by today's standards and still sparked much larger opposition. What you say makes no sense, no historical data to back up and no physiological explanation. Getting hit flush by Inoue had the same devastating effect over 5 divisions and there's no reason why can't he continue to do what he's made a HOF career out of.

    Do you get the impression his power is waning? I have been asking this every 2 yrs and the answer is still no. It now looks probable that there is no fighter to compare to. He's something beyond available data.
     
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  10. SpeedKills

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    Because the weights Inoue has spent his entire 20s in Pacquiao couldn’t make past being a starving teenager.
     
  11. GGGunbeatable

    GGGunbeatable Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Glass jaws do exist and Inoue could knock out anyone. Some people have obviously never been in the gym or in a fight. You get hit and you're having a glass jaw, you get knocked out no matter which size the opponent has as long as he has a good punch.

    Fighters who move up tend to knockout less opponents because they don't fight bums and hypejobs anymore but usually other champs and elite fighters.
     
  12. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Summary

    Inoue boxed and sonned the **** out of Fulton for 7 rounds.

    Inoue knocked Fulton the **** out in the 8th.

    Boxing Clinic + Highlight Reel KO
     
  13. Redbeard7

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    Pacman turned pro just after his 16th birthday. Pac was 114 lbs (about to fight for a world title) at a younger age than Inoue was when he turned pro at 108 at 19. Even if Inoue is a harder puncher than Pacquaio P4P, he's a smaller man naturally.

    Heavyweight boxing and sub-middleweight boxing aren't comparable. You're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think Inoue's power is "weightless", so just as effective on heavyweights as it is on 122 pounders.

    Inoue's power has increased as he's moved up in weight and become more physically mature. As he's got more experienced he's got better at placing his punches too. This is why his power has carried so well to 122 and should carry well to 126. But at some point he'll hit his peak (if he hasn't already) in terms of maturity and even the diminishing speed and agility of his heavier opponents won't compensate for their increased ability to take his punches, and his lesser ability to plant his feet due to the power coming back at him.
     
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  14. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Guys will fight 1, maybe 2X a year if we're lucky, so every 6 months, we're treated to a fight. Why mute our excitement at all? And the freaking fight happened like 30 hours ago. This ain't a team sport where we have a steady diet of games to discuss/analyze for an entire season.

    :lol:
     
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