Not sure but Cotto doesnt seem to throw body punches/hooks like he used to...

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  1. ]V[ooSeKnUcKLeS

    ]V[ooSeKnUcKLeS YAHHHHH Full Member

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    This :deal
     
  2. kirk

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    http://www.primerahora.com/diario/no...l_cotto/341418

    so this video was posted in another thread, and it showed cotto doing mitts.....

    i dont know.... i know seeing 15 seconds of mitt work dont mean **** but i dont like how hes throwing that hook, which reminded me of this thread.

    cotto throws hooks like he used to, and people said its because of his opponent, but hes not even throwing it on the mitt like he used to.

    He used to turn and leverage his hook.... hes stiff now when he throws it and its more of an arm punch then it used to be, im not saying it IS an arm punch but hes not getting that rotation like he used to, and mitts is the time to practise that.

    Cotto used to remind me of someone swinging a home run when he went to the body, how they get that good twist in there.... i just dont see that anymore. He was like a bull, and he would be goring his opponent....

    Now, its like hes just trying to get it out there, and often his punches seem to not have the legs behind it and he doesnt turn it over like he used to, even in the mitts i dont see it.



    How he used to look when hed throw a good body shot
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    Not a body shot but you see that vintage cotto type shot




    and now he throws it more as an arm punch, and thats how hes doing it on the mitts too.... imo.

    see, hes not getting that torq behind it like he used to
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    im not trying to make an argument off of pictures.... i noticed it and then went looking for pics to see if i could try and show what im talking about.


    This will be the last i say on it, i just saw the video and again, i just dont like how cotto is throwing those hooks....


    but hey maybe this is all in my paranoid head, but i swear Cottos form is changing, and its not for the better, and hes not getting into his shots what he used to, even on mitts.


    Now, wether hes doing that on purpose (maybe trying to go more for speed and not wanting to sit down on shots like he used to) or not is the question..... imo.
     
  3. boxbox

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    Hmm whats the difference? its the same to me, only the angles were different:bbb

    I guess the level of competition has a lot to do with it, you wont be as confident against somebody you know who can hurt you bad if you make a mistake. :hey
     
  4. kirk

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    ya you might be right, and thats what im thinking is maybe he switched up due to not wanting to turn and sit down on his punch as much.... :good


    i feel kinda stupid because a part of me thinkings im making something out of nothing, but i just cant help but see it. I see old cotto throw body punches and everything looks good, i see cotto fight recently and when hes doing the mitts and his technique looks off imo.

    just me.... but ill let this thread die now lol, i just had to bring that up after seeing the training video.
     
  5. kirk

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    by the way this is exactly what i see....

    ok im letting the thread die now lol.
     
  6. threethirteen

    threethirteen Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Against Clottey he needed to punch quick and get out of range. Clottey was a lot faster than he expected, i think. In addition, that shell-defence makes it pointless trying to get much leverage behind the shot. There just wasn't the space to land it.

    He threw some good stuff against Mosley, Gomez and Jennings. He landed some thudding hooks against the ropes against Clottey. He can still do it, but he looks for angles more.
     
  7. kirk

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    :good Hope your right, and that we can see some of it back against Pac. But at least you see the leverage im talking about....
     
  8. boxbox

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    Its all good man, Maybe this training vids just arent showin us what we want to see=):good
     
  9. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've noticed that in all of Cotto's fights since Judah. He doesn't commit to his punches at all anymore. It looks like he wants to throw and then get the **** out of the way. Still good, defensive minded, but I could tell his punches don't have the crack that they used to.

    Another thing, this mentally of his, it does cost him nowadays, most notably in Margo fight. He gives away his ground as soon as he gets it. He hits someone then gets out of the way when he should stay on cuz the guy was a bit dazed, but he doesn't see that, he sees, "Cotto, run."
     
  10. JohnMorrison

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    I think is a result of the opponents more than anything else. In the Margarito fight i believe he didn't want to risk getting hit by the uppercut(it happened anyway) and Clottey is just very difficult to deal with also.
     
  11. DocLouis

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    This may be the case, and that worries me a little from a Cotto perspective. Pac's gonna be giving him all sorts of crazy angles, and if he's throwing differently in order to not get hit, then I think he's giving up one of his advantages.

    We'll see come fight night tho, I guess...
     
  12. IsaL

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    Cotto was in one of those type of fights where most boxers leave something behind in the ring.

    There's many examples of fighters who have never been the same after a brutal fight.

    Who knows about Cotto, we need to see how he fares in future fights.
     
  13. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm also surprised at how little is made of the fact that Cotto has pretty much been training himself for like the past 5 fights. If you look at it that way he's doing a damn good job. Imagine what he could accomplish with a real trainer in his corner?
     
  14. divac

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    The word "stiff" that Kirk used reminds me alot of how fighters look when they're bordering if not already shot.

    Good eye Kirk, and reason to be concerned. You should know, you've already seen that with a huge favorite of yours, Fernando Vargas.

    Who knows what the hell happens to the human body/ brain when you take a real bonafide beatdown the fashion Vargas got vs Tito, and Cotto did vs Margarito.


    I'm no expert on the subject, but I'd imagine that something in the brain permanently shortcircuits during a beatdown, that prevents the body from cooperating in the same fluid form it once did before the short circuit.


    I'm seeing what Kirk's talking about, although thank God not to the extent that was prevalent with Fernando Vargas.