Not sure if should be reposting this here...

Ive just ammended one of my posts! Hope the error went unnoticed (i know at least one person caught it though!! haha!)

 

Thanks paisan!

 

What an ass... he even had the gall to brag about the Pazienza bout. Thank you Antonio and Glenhoffe for overdue lessons in humility.

 

:rofl

"We could go on and on, Mike McCallum, Vinny Pazienza...."

Not sure WHERE he could go from there....

 

The greatest of all sports and the great fighters and warriors of this sport deserve great, heroic, classical or at least instrumental music instead of thuggish, gutteral garbage rap. All rap is garbage and it's content and message is garbage, pure garbage.

 

I find it a tad silly to dismiss the entire genre -- there is some highly intelligent and remarkable examples of rap out there, but (as is the case for most quality music) you just have to look for it. The rapping about money/cars/bragging/etc is utter idiocy of course, but that's not all there is to the genre. Not by a long shot. Genre discrimination is ridiculous, although it's most likely due to the fact that MTV and most radio stations decide to give us complete trash on a daily basis and pass it off as music.

And yeah, Jones' song is enough to make me wince. I can never watch it all the way through.

Oh, and even though I was defending the genre, I wasn't really a fan of the song choice you used for this video. I didn't mind it too much though, because the footage selection was so excellent.

 

Great, next up Benny Leonard, Joe Gans, Willie Pep and Ray Robinson.

 

:good both of your boxing videos are on my favroites list.

 

"Genre discrimination"? Come on. I addressed rapping as what it is 90% of the time -corrupting and destructive. "Rapping" is shorthand for what it usually is anyway -that look-at-me, dis the b*tches, gun-toting, lemme shock Uncle Charlie, English-mutilating gangsta crap that remains its predominant form.

There is Spanish rap and Christian rap too but do I really have to differentiate? When was the last time one of those were commercial successes??

Before you dismiss me as some fuddy-duddy who yearns for the comeback of the xylophone, I'll have you know that I remember old school. I don't mean Public Enemy and Run DMC... I mean before that, when rap songs had titles like "It's Life, You Got to Think Twice" and "Get Tough". "The Message", "New York, New York" and that stuff. It took a real turn for the worse with Public Enemy's angst and NWA's off the hook violence.

By the time Bushwich Bill and the Geto Boys came on the scene I was like "bye-bye, I leave you with the finger."

 

That's like saying you need to wade through the contents of a dumpster to find an unopened candy bar someone accidently threw away. It's a demon inspired, destructive "genre" that glorifies thuggery, and that has been the guilt through association that has tarred and feathered boxing in the eyes of many. Filmed tributes of Joe Louis, for instance, deserves greater, higher, more inspiring music like classical or blues.

 

This is all a matter of opinion -sense or sensibility doesn't apply. I thought the music wasn't deep enough, not enough rythym or beauty considering the topic...

Wanderer, try these songs if you continue to plummet the depths of defensive mastery:

"Just an Illusion" by Imagination
That classical piece from Raging Bull
"Clear" by Cybotron

Another song that would be great for a KO compilation or clips of toe-to-toe warfare would be a song from "Gangs of New York" called "Shimmy She Wobble"

...I'm surprised no one has used this one yet:

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These artists like Wanderer making youtube videos about boxing have the power of influence. They can help the sport.... and so we need them to be inspiring!! Can I get an A -frickin- men?

 

Firstly, I just want to say that I appreciate the fact that you guys can debate in a civil manner. Cool. Oh, I also want to apologise to The Wanderer for taking his thread off topic.

Like I said, I hate that stuff. However, I'd like to know the basis for your claims of 'predominant form' and '90%'. If you're talking about mainstream music, sure. I agree completely. But hell, if you're only paying attention to mainstream music then that's the first major problem right there.

Why on earth does it have to be a commercial success for it to be considered worth listening to?

I agree that there are plenty of things that turned sour over the years, and things that were just damned terrible right from the start. But do you really think that makes it acceptable to dismiss an entire genre? Hell, hip hop isn't even my favourite area of music -- not even close, in fact, and yet I still wouldn't slam absolutely everything that comes under that label. Have you heard this guy's work? Tracks like 'Angel' and 'Brother' discuss genuinely interesting issues confronting race, the music industry, the nature of art itself, etc. That's just one example of good modern hip hop.

That's my approach to music as a whole, really. It doesn't matter if it's hip hop, rock, etc -- these days I have to go and LOOK for really emotionally impacting and intelligent music rather than it falling into my lap, as a great deal of mainstream stuff is utter tripe. Back in the day people like Bob Dylan got massive exposure, and now we have to deal with TV and radio pushing people like Soulja Boy into our faces, a kid who deserves an almighty slap over the head.

If you mainly listen to the mainstream stuff, sure.

(Although even I wouldn't go as far as to bring demons into this, eesh.)

No music genre is inherently 'greater, higher, more inspiring' than any other. That's like saying sculpting is (at base) more deserving of the 'art' label than painting. Quality is mainly created through execution, not through the medium through which it is conveyed. Classical and blues music feature many utterly beautiful works, but so does virtually every other genre.

I also find that many people that I meet dismiss boxing as plain 'thuggery' -- and no, not because of the stupid gangster rap attitude that surrounds it. At least, this isn't the case for the people I've encountered, anyway. They consider it plain thuggery due to the inherent structure behind it -- one guy hitting another guy, causing brain damage. They dismiss it as a sport for dolts, a sport that encourages violence, a sport that can only be wrong for society, and a sport that even needs to be banned.

We know better, don't we?

Don't make the same mistake as them.

 

Again, this is a matter of audience. Mainstream music reaches the most people, commands the most profit, and has influence. There may be a market for Brazilian transvestite rap, but the market is too small to have any influence whatsoever.

I didn't pass judgment... I merely stated a fact. Christian rap may be great -but it ain't selling like the gangsta rap.

I don't know if your read my earlier posts but my dismissal of "rap" was shorthand. I know that there is positive rap out there. However, it carries nowhere near the influence that the mainstream negative part of the genre does.