Not trying to overate him but...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by kirk, Jul 14, 2007.


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  1. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    williams... honestly, looked hard to beat tonight, and im saying that as far as ANYONE goes...

    mayweather... how is he going to deal with williams? he has NEVER fought someone like him EVER. corrales made him look small, and williams would DWARF corrales, hell, margarito would make corrales look small, and williams made HIM look small. so you have this monster, who you AINT gonna hurt, you AINT gonna outwork, you AINT gonna outbox cuz hes not going to let you do it, williams... he is a BORN FIGHTER. hes the first to land and the last to land, he punches in close or from a distance, he throws all sorts, and you seen against sharmba that he can land on muich smaller fighters with those weird winging shots.

    the only person i think has a REAL shot against him is cotto... and that is he has hopes of breaking him down, and doing what margarito couldnt in the 9th, 10th, 11th rounds... but also... i dont think he could take what margarito did to get there maybe?

    mosley, as great as he is, gets fustrated EASILY, and gets put on the back foot pretty easy too... and i think williams does both of this with ease.

    so i dont know, im not trying to overate him or anything... but i just see him being the ruler of this division, and a future great if he gets the right fights.
     
    kirk, Jul 14, 2007
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  2. HandsOfGold

    HandsOfGold Member Full Member

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    He has something you can't teach. Height.

    If he was 5'11 Margarito would have TKO'ed him.
     
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  3. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Cotto, Mosely and what I saw as improvements in Cintron, all destroy this guys. Margarito is easy to look good against.
     
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  4. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    I would give Williams a chance to beat anybody. He can take a punch and his workrate is phenominal. Cotto could beat him though.
     
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  5. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You guys act like it would be the first time a far superier short guy beat a tall guy.
     
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  6. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    what did cintron improve on? you realise he just had a war with estrada... which i know estrada is good.... but, all this talk about him having improved so much, i guess i dont see it, imo, hes the same fighter hes always been, maybe a lil more boxing thrown in there, but the core is the same.

    williams would so smother the crap out of him, outwork him, and probably stop him late..... and id pick margarito to beat him... yet again.
     
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  7. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    nobody said anything about JUST height. its not just his height, its his FIGHTING ABILITY, STAMINA, WORKRATE, CHIN, ECT.
     
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  8. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    you may be right.... and not just accuracy, but speed. Usually fighters that unleash like that, when posed with FAST, ACCURATE shots, tend to tighten up a bit more... thing is, most guys who would be throwing those shots are so small to him, and imo might just get smothered. who knows though... i hope these matchups get made. i would like to see how cottos breakdown method, which imo are much better then margs, and is on another level, would do.
     
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  9. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo. Cotto is too stationary and gets hit too easily to fight a guy like Williams. Plus, as much as I love Cotto, he hasnt shown the most resiliant chin....how many of those shots that he landed on Margarito (who has an amazing chin) could Cotto withstand?

    As for Mosely. I think he may have a shot, just for the sheer fact of his handspeed. He may be able to beat Williams to the punch, taking away his best asset. Plus, Mosely CAN put out a high workrate to go with that speed.

    Cintron, I dont know yet. I mean, he looked PHENOMINAL tonight. But he also looked awful vs Margo....Im not saying that because Williams beat Margo that he now can beat Cintron...Im just saying, lets see more of Kermit before we jump to conclusions. He did look pretty spectacular tonight tho!!!

    Mayweather wont take this fight tho....I GUARRENTEE IT! Its way too much of a risk. He will still have a speed advantage, but not the glaring one he is used to. He wont be able to move away and counter, just on the sheer size and length of Williams. Its just a bad matchup for him in every regard.

    Regardless, I think Williams looked great tonight. He obviously aint a flash in the pants and will be around now for a while.

    OH AND IT WAS A GREAT ****IN FIGHT!!!!

    :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy
     
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  10. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    His fighting ability is clearly less than that of Floyd, the guy has had 1 truely meaningful fight in his whole career, and now he's the pfp best boxer in the worlds worst nightmare, its absurdity.
     
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  11. YOUNG*LORD

    YOUNG*LORD Carlosv1968 is your daddy Full Member

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    Williams looked great but I always thought Margo was a bit overrated...he looked like an amatuer, throwing wide and super slow punches. Cotto would've slowed Williams down with his constant body attack also Cotto is too hard to smother and very accurate with his punches. I can see Cotto beat both Williams by UD and Margo by tko.
     
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  12. errsta

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    I think Cintron has the best shot....also pretty tall and he has the pop to make williams respect him.
     
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  13. maracho

    maracho Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your %'s are backwards but then Lampley did say the stats we saw were an underestimate compared to the computer in front of him.
    Margarito 27 %
    Williams 22%
     
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  14. Ring Master

    Ring Master The Originator Full Member

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    I don't mean this as an insult but i believe you are overating him as you do/did other fighters such as Miranda, Vargas and Mayorga.
     
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  15. boxbox

    boxbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    a 10 inch reach advantage says a lot
     
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