November 22, 1986: Jerry Quarry replaces Trevor Berbick vs Young Tyson. Does the same thing happen?

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  1. mcvey

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    The underlined is not supported by the score cards.
    After a hectic first round Thomas went into jab and grab mode, he wasn't winning the fight.

    "Against Thomas, Tyson came out with a bombs-away fight plan that nearly made an early evening of it.

    He hurt Thomas and bloodied him with devastating lefts and rights, and seemed on the verge of finishing the former W.B.C. champion. But Thomas - who, as Tyson said afterward, took "a great shot" - survived the round and, rather than trade punches with Tyson, went to Plan B. That was a more conservative approach, and Thomas had his moments with it, using a heavy-handed jab to keep Tyson offstride and then tying him up when the Catskill, N.Y., slugger moved in. At times, he met the oncoming Tyson with short right hands. Mostly, though, he confounded Tyson by frequent clinches. When Tyson couldn't find a way to stop the clinches, the crowd of 12,706 booed on more than one occasion.

    Before the sixth round, Thomas had to change the glove of his left hand when, he said, the attached thumb on the glove began to come apart.

    "The feeling of the new glove was awkward," Thomas said. "What blew my mind was that glove. I thought I had a roll going with Mike."

    Tyson admitted he was not entirely satisfied with his performance.

    "The fight didn't go my way," Tyson said. "I can't make excuses. It was almost two bum fights in a row, which is no good financially."

    But the champion said he thought eventually he would get to Thomas.

    "I knew it was not going to last," Tyson said. "He didn't have anything for me."
     
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  2. Contro

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    Well if hes landing jabs and tyson is landing almost nothing then thomas is winning the rounds. Tyson was initiating the clinches alot of the time. Thomas was landing on tyson on the way in and then tyson would languish on the inside, they would get seperated and tyson would again absorb the jab or 1-2 on his way in.
    I watched the fight again a week ago and was surprised at how bad tyson looked after the first round all the way until the sixth
     
  3. mcvey

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    You said Thomas won the 2nd 3rd ,4th, 5th rds Yes?

    So the judges scored it wrong,is that what you are saying?
     
  4. Contro

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    I guess so.
     
  5. mcvey

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    You sayThomas won every round after the 1st until he was ko'd in the 6th, so that's what you are stating. The judges disagreed with you,and so do I.
     
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  6. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I don't know. He barely skated past Patterson and Tyson stopped alot of durable fighters who had never been stopped before. I think Quarry only lasts the distance if he was more mobile. Standing in front of Tyson, I think, would make for a short night. It's not just the power, but that combined with the speed and combinations.
     
  7. Contro

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    Which round did you have tyson winning? Imo the only one that was close was the 2nd. Thomas had tyson completely under control in rounds 3 4 and 5.

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  8. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No. He never won a tough fight. He gave up against Holy 2, McBride and Danny. Fact. Your hero was soooo tough only in your mind. And the thing is, YOU YOURSELF, knows Mike was a frontrunner and it bothers you to no end. Quarry fought by far the more taxing opponants and fought to the end. Tyson gets his ass kicked by Buster and hides behind King's skirttails and claims he should be given his title back :) :) :). Joker. Quarry~man. Tyson~frontrunning ***boy
     
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  9. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Quarry was a 195-200 pounder and not exactly the best of that bunch!!! I can name guys off top of my head from 180 to 200 that'd likely beat Quarry.

    Say what you like but a 220 lb Tyson sending in combinations from all angles on a target 20 pounds to 25 pounds lighter and there to be hit would be disaster for the smaller target in question, barring a cast iron chin or excellent recuperative powers.

    And Quarry wasn't exactly better than many of the guys Tyson did beat and definitely was smaller.
     
  10. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Your concept of bigger is better is stupid. I guess Tyson gets wiped out by Lewis Wlad Vitali Ortiz Wilder Joshua Valuev etc. Quarry beat 220 pound puncher boxer Ron Lyle in Lyles Prime after Jerrys prime. Look at Jerrys record Tyson never . Had half the heart of Quarry and since when does as Ty as on ko good opponants in 1 or 2? He didn't in real life.
     
  11. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Lyle is not as skilled or fast with the combination of size and power of a young Tyson. Lets not go there.
     
  12. The Morlocks

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    oh, I'm going there :)! Got one for you. TYSON of the Berbick fight vs. himself of the Spinks fight, which I know you think highly of. What happens in that scenario?
     
  13. The Morlocks

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    Btw 95% of Tyson challengers were Holmes era retreads. Take the rosecolored glasses off man. Jake would be very disappointed
     
  14. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    The fact is, Quarry was a 195 pound cruiser, not even the best between 176 and 200, was good against relatively slow sluggers with shoddy defense. Him beating Lyle has no bearing on anything in a fight vs young Tyson. That's like saying because Buddy Baer knocked out Tony Galento who was 235 pounds, therefore he could probably do the same to a prime 235 pound Bowe when Bowe was obviously much better schooled than Galento and besides weight and probably single shot power, have nothing in common style or skill wise.
     
  15. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Yeah and all of them have a reasonable chance to beat Quarry. Give one solid reason, without name calling, why they wouldn't?