Now before the explosive reaction to Cotto's one sided victory happens...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Amsterdam, Jul 25, 2008.


  1. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Yeah that Rocky Dennis business was a sad thing, kid had a lot of potential outside of the disease...

    Anyway back to boxing -

    I've followed Cotto since early 2004, that's 4 and a half year being a fan, I remember when people were slagging him after the episodes against Corley and Torres and were saying he'd never be anything more than an action TV fighter, despite showing all of those skills and timing.:rofl

    A lot of boxing fans are ridiculous, they don't watch what is really happening. Marg is not that great of a fighter and he's going to get absolutely annihilated in one sided fashion here and anybody who's viewing this from an unbiased standpoint see's this. Too sloppy, too open, too slow to catch up to an elite fighter of any kind, much less a guy who damages opponents so badly as Cotto does, which you pointed out.

    The accumulative damage that will end up on Marg will be very bad even by the 5th round, he cuts and bruises easily in addition to the damage that Cotto oddly inflicts on opponents consistently. The guy will be smothered and his workrate will be non-existant due to being tagged repeatedly by heavy accurate blows, as has been the case before when people countered and tagged Marg consistently.

    This will be a good win on the fact that it will be a one sided brutal beating, but it's not even going to be his best win, much less one to give anything more than the standard praise you give any top fighter for giving an awesome performance over an opponent a level below.

    So let's just try to not flip out here and bring level and reality into the perspective.
     
  2. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    I pretty much agree with this. Cotto will tear Williams apart, very easy style match up for Cotto.

    Berto could be tough if he can be given time though, no question IMO. His power and style alone would be difficult for Cotto if he progresses into becoming a real top level fighter.
     
  3. Knob McDude

    Knob McDude Active Member Full Member

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    I agree, they would all make good fights. Just that I won't be stoked about them.
     
  4. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Berto's just too predictable, accurate, but has **** timing and his chin is shaky. A non-factor.
     
  5. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    Bold statement Amsterdam, as always. I hope it becomes reality.
     
  6. TFFP

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    Berto would completely fold under Cotto's onslaught, he looks like one of those candidates that won't deal with pressure at all well. He doesn't have the know how or experience at all after fighting such easy touches. He needs at least 3 fights before you can even contemplate it.

    I would be looking to get him in with the winner of Clottey/Judah, either way it would prove something. It would either prove he can deal with some pressure, after he fought a lot of very similar types or that he actually has a better chin than it would appear.
     
  7. Fallow

    Fallow Active Member Full Member

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    This is a really worthless assessment of an excellent fighter from a poster who I thought knew better.

    Antonio Margarito has proven by his actions in the ring that he is unquestionably an extremely formidable opponent and world champion. Amsterdam, your continued campaign of hatred against this fighter is utter nonsense, you call Margarito one-dimensional yet you are the archetypal one-dimensional boxing fan who only appreciates the pretty and artistic fighters. What you fail to take into account is that there are fighters both current and historically that ply their trade in a blunt and ugly fashion that may not be aesthetically pleasing but is equally as effective. Margarito is one of those fighters.

    He possesses a steely will, cast-iron chin and the heart of a lion, he is the kind of fighter to look into the eyes of adversity and say “**** YOU” and march onwards to victory.

    Should Cotto win tomorrow night, and make no mistake I believe he will (by late stoppage), there is little doubt in my mind that Margarito’s stock, even in losing, will once again rise leaving your latest character assassination of the man looking exactly like what it is… utter nonsense…
     
  8. Terrible Terry

    Terrible Terry Member Full Member

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    You experts are missing the fact that styles make fights. Cotto has more skill than Margarito but Amsterdam and you huggers of his are overlooking the fact that Margo is by far the biggest toughest dude Cotto has ever been in the ring with. Don't let the performances against a skilled but heartless Judah and a 37 year old Sugar Shane fool you, Cotto is not the god of boxing. Cotto is good and his jab is very good but he is fighting a monster. Margo has the reach, power and workrate advantage over Cotto. Cotto's defense is wide open for and uppercut which oh by the way the big Mexican happens to have one of the best uppercuts in boxing. Amsterdam and friends act like Margarito is Carlos Baldimire with a better hair cut, he is a complete bad ass who breaks your will. Cotto can possibly beat any other welter on earth but Margarito is just a bad match up.
     
  9. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    I wonder what Cotto's state will be like after his
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    tommorow. to a "B" list fighter.
     
  10. HauntingTheHoly

    HauntingTheHoly Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well he was right about Calz "humiliating the old man and making him quit - or at least embarass him 12 rounds to zero" so I'm sure you can trust his analyzing abilities. :D
     
  11. HauntingTheHoly

    HauntingTheHoly Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why would you think he knows better? Did you pay attention to his one thousand posts about how Joe should hang himself if he loses a single round to Hopkins and/or doesn't stop him?
     
  12. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    No, it's a spot on assessment, Marg is a world contender and nothing more, who matches well with some styles and gets tooled against others.
    Do you think I don't understand that blunt and ugly can be effective as hell if given the right set of intangibles and physical abilities? Marg has some top intangibles, workrate, stamina and chin, but lacks TIMING to go with that, something that most of the effective 'blunt' styles had to make it hell on elite's.

    Marg's never fought an elite, he's fought a few decent fighters, a few GOOD fighters(two of which made him look his level in Clottey and Williams and 1 who he matched with well and KOed twice)so he hasn't proven he's a formidible opponent for 'anybody', he's proven he's a good, solid world level contender type fighter and nothing more.

    This is not an elite, he's a solid B and nothing more.
    He also has poor balance, bad timing, poor accuracy and is very slow, with a very leaky defence. His workrate gets cut in half when countered effectively and he looked dumbfounded against Clottey when Clottey pulled a simple stick and move tactic late and couldn't get anything going against Williams until round 8.

    On top of it, his power isn't enough to put a dent in anyone unless it's in ACCUMULATION. Accumulation against Cotto(or any top classer) he will not have.
    No, he will win in 1 sided, brutal fashion, showing that all of the hype over the years on limited Margarito, who's nothing more than a decent contender level fighter, was absurd and null and void FINALLY.

    I just made this thread to warn about the up and coming flip out over Cotto's win and the strive for realism and not ridiculousness.
     
  13. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Styles go to Cotto...

    Have you seen how Marg looks when he's smothered and backing up? Ineffective, workrate slashed in half, open defence getting tagged.

    Cotto will jab his way in with his powershot jab and smother Marg, ripping him with accurate combo's all night...

    If that doesn't work well for the odd reason, he's a good enough boxer to box and counter and still land enough vicious combo's to keep a sloppy fighter like Marg at bay.

    Styles do not go to Marg. This is a fallacy that's been born through ignorance.
     
  14. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Cotto will not be able to either smother or back up Margo.
    Miguel is not the superior "Pep" he is all of the sudden being made out to be.
    He will fight, and a fight is exactly what will happen.

    In the end you can't make someone who they are not.
     
  15. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    :lol:

    So Cotto is not the superior pressure technition and in fighter, despite Marg beind best at mid-range?