Classic: Speak. Where you ranking him p4p all time, welterweight, light-welterweight, super-featherweight, head-to-head etc., any and all historically relevant points of interest are welcomed. HE'S OURS NOW.
Tbh, I think I'd rather believe in Father Christmas than falling for the Mayweather is retired stuff. The prospect of 50 - 0 is far too big a temptation for that ego. As far as his ranking is concerned, a truly gifted fighter and an ATG without doubt at every weight he has fought at, with the possible exception of 140. I just don't think beating Corley, Bruseles, and Gatti at the weight is overly impressive.
General can have him back. For a great-and he is that-his career has been strangely underwhelming. When guys like Duran, Hagler, Leonard, Hearns etc. retired, I felt something. End of an era stuff. A sense of sadness but also joy that I got to watch these guys fight. It was a privilege. Hell, I felt that way when Toney beat Holyfield and Holy hadn't even retired. I've enjoyed Floyd and certainly can appreciate the skills, but thanks for...uh...well it was a good run I guess.
I dont rank him as an atg. And his retirement reminds me of the dime store owner down the street when i was growing up. He was perpetually retiring in order to draw people into his next sale. "Its your last chance folks, retirement sale!" Thats all this is. Same as last time. Tell people you are retiring so when you inevitably "come back" for you 50th record breaking win, you can attract more suckers to the spectacle. This fraud makes me want to puke and i really hope weve seen the end of him. Hes been awful for the sport.
Great fighter...but did an even greater job managing himself. I think he's the best H2H at 130, maybe top 5 H2H at lightweight, maybe around top 10 H2H at welterweight.IMO. One of the best overall defensive fighters...His longevity and consistency is amazing. When considering Floyd, I think he took the sporting aspect out of boxing, he chose to never fight a prime opponent...he took any advantage he could...fighting at the MGM Grand, catchweights, gloves, ring size etc. Any conceivable advantage he took...and walked away with all the chips. Considering the mental and physical attributes, rise in weights, level of excellence All time great, would have down well in any era for me...but not close to "TBE"
Yeah; it's like for some reason he gets defined entirely by his ww\lmw run which was his most visible run.
Yeah, it's because the guys you mention are the most visible, the most famous. It's an indictment of boxing as much as anything else, really, given Mayweather's own visibility. I think that on forums and such the more famous names are seen by people as somehow out-ranking Ortiz etc.
Personally I always liked watching the 130-135 Floyd. He got a bit boring moving higher up. Anyways...whenever I see 'TBE' I think To Be Extended or something...silly bloody title or moniker or whatever you want to call it. Whether this retirement is a stunt or not, I will give him credit for ammassing a fortune in revenue and walking away a multi-millionaire. Wish more fighters did.
It's going to be very difficult to rate him. 49-0 sure sounds nice but there are must read footnotes. Undoubtedly, as dpw17 pointed out, his careful management has diluted his achievements. The undefeated Miguel Cotto was left alone until he was bashed up and the same goes for Pacquiao, opponents that, if fought when it mattered most, would be signature victories. Instead we've got this situation where most shrug, weakly offer Diego Corrales. The silly thing is, in all likelihood, Floyd would have beaten them anyway so there's this ugly aspect of waiting for the fruit to ripen; a luxury most boxers don't have and indeed has little to do with the spirit of boxing, nay, I believe Floyd's actions have promoted in others a bizarre sense of entitlement regarding who they face and how much they should be paid, regurgitating his phrases, though that's another issue... What Floyd has achieved is still good enough to put him in the top 30, and his in-ring ability would see him do well against elite competition, but he's either unaware or simply doesn't believe it that part of greatness lies in jumping when you're not 100% it's doable. Some say a bout with Golovkin is unfair but considering how Floyd routinely fights within himself I think it would take just that kind of opponent to help clarify where the roof is.