Now Taylor has been beaten...will Americans accept Hopkins is nothing special now?

Well he has already called out Pavlik... I think Pavlik will take the bait, unlike the other jokes.

 

Hopkins always survives. I would still probably favor him at fight time. No matter, Hops didnt have to come back from retirement to beat Winky, that was a bonus. If Calzaghe decisioned it wouldnt hurt Hopkins all time standing. Maybe if Calzaghe fought in United States a few times he would get more exposure.

 

Good breakdown, I just feel B-hop finds ways to beat good fighters. I honestly gave B-hop like 20% chance of beating Tarver because you got to remeber Tarver just got done kicking Jones ass again and beat a tough and game Glen Johnson, but Hopkins came through and got the job done in stunning fashion. I feel Hopkins would make Calzaghe fight his fight and really rough him up, I think its pretty clear that Hopkins is the stronger of the 2 physically and I feel that Hopkins would back Calzaghe up landed his right hand often. I dont know I just see it being a different type fight that Calzaghe never seen before, and Calzaghe would have a hard time dealing with him in the trenches because Calzaghe really wouldnt have the pop to back Hopkins up. I still see it being a UD for Hopkins but I could see it going either way.

 

So a fighter is only good enough, if he gets US exposure?

 

No offense, but if you want to fight a good fighter you have to come here to improve your resume and get more exposure by fighting good oppenents.

 

Calzaghe gets decent pop off his punches imo, since his quick hands tend to catch opponents at awkards angles they don't see comming and he follows it up, the sheer volume tends to force stoppages. Also I think that even if this scenario is true and he can't back Hopkins up, his footwork is good enough to get the movement happenning to negate that (he can fight going backwards).

There's only one point I disagree with strongly though and that's the idea of Hopkins overpowering Calzaghe, he may be strong enough to tie him up, but certainly not stong enough to rough him up/bully him around (I also think he'd tire out more quickly if he tried). Lacy was extremely strong, and i'm not saying that because he was ripped , I also say it because he often pushed fighters around and roughed them up on the way to his stoppage wins, and he was the strongest puncher on his U.S olympic team (from memory, correct me if i'm wrong)... that's a lot of raw physical power for a man who's not a heavyweight.

 

And that would mean US boxers? Or at least getting them to the shores of USA, so they are transformed into better boxers, hence better resume?

And no offence, your trivial circle jerking cycle has been broken, maybe you should reconsider all you have believed in for quite some time; Winky is fading, Tarver is shot, RJJ is shot, Hopkin handspicks fights to hide his low workrate and the fact that he is way past prime, Taylor is - yeah well you saw it I reckon.

 

I think you need the hubble scope for glasses, because your own eyes dont work too well for you.

Hopkins never beat RJJ - he was good once, but no more, and thus he loses his elite status. Taylor did not win all rounds, please adjust the hubble scope or stop smear butter on them.

Calzaghe would have recovered from the beating - compare with Mitchell fight, secondly he wouldnt have been KD'd by Taylor.

 

nobody can take what you say seriously because you have such an anti-american bias, and the list above proves you know absolutely nothing about boxing styles, skills, and scenarios.

 

Look, I´m not the type of jackass-poster, who says now things like "I told ya Taylor was a fraud, etc...", I respect Jermain like every fighter, IMO he´s clearly one of the best fighters at 160 lbs., he also showed a good performance, his downfall was to brawl later too much with the harder-punching Pavlik. I know that it sucks that a lot of people here diss him and all that, but don´t make the same mistake and say things like that Taylor won all rounds until the 7th round, because it´s just not true and you also know it...

 

No way. Hopkins beats Pavlik. Hopkins is nothing like Taylor. How can you say that? :huh They are nothing alike whatsoever.

 

I'm glad that finally real fans are starting to see thru the Hopkins bull****.
I have bee saying it all along: Hopkins is way overrated. Why?

Let me tell you:
1.The Milkman has milked the MW division for over a decade, calling out former lightweights, former jnr lightweights and former welterweights.

2.His biggest wins come over a guy who started at 140, and a guy who started at 130.

3.Hopkins is a natural light heavy weight. LIGHTHEAVYWEIGHT!!!! For goodness sake.

4.He avoided amongst other things, a rematch with Jones, a fight with Toney & Calzhage when these were logical fights that fans wanted.

5.Lost to a very green J Taylor – not once – but twice. Can you imagine a real ATG (like Hagler) losing to such a fighter?

Now you want me to believe that the Milkman is one of the top 10 best MW of all time?

Putting the Pavlik-Taylor fight into perspective: It’s not that people feel that Pavlik would beat Hopkins (that's another debate). It’s that people feel that Taylor was finally exposed. If Hopkins was such a special fighter then he would have taken advantage of Taylor’s weaknesses.

So, that is why Hopkins is overrated.

 

i kind of agree with you dane, but it actually depends. take for example pacquiao, if he had'nt went to the states to get all the big fights, no one would be giving him any credit if stayed in the thailand-japan-korea-australia-philippines circuit over in asia. in pacs case going over to the US to fight the best competition for the best money he would'nt find anywhere else this justifes the "america allows you to fight the best, for the most money" line of thinking.

JC on the other hand is a totally different case. since RJJ vacated SMW, SMW has been looked over by american fighters who fought at MW and lt.hvy for the best money against known american names. so JCC staying in europe to fight most of the top 10 SMW fighters(who were euros) is entirely justified. people should'nt **** on calzaghes resume for the lack of american names, because most of those european guys he fought were top 10 contenders. it's just now that people are starting to come around that it's a deep division full of talent.