Now Taylor has been beaten...will Americans accept Hopkins is nothing special now?

You make a good point, as very, very few people thought Taylor could hurt Pavlik like that.
After his fight with Miranda, Pavlik was being hailed as having a steel chin. I was certainly surprised when it happend.

Give Taylor his due. He showed some real toughness in there. He got beaten by the better fighter, but he shouldn't be ashamed.

 

I didnt know how much of an idiot you are until now.

 

You are making too many assumptions to get anything out of your calculations.

Tarver was performing less than well in his last fight yes, the man is 38 years old of age for Crissake!

Taylor is at the same level he has always been, right there at the top of the 160-pounders, otherwise he wouldn't have hurt and decked Kelly Pavlik, the new Champion.

Nothing on the Taylor vs Pavlik fight reflects on Winky whose last fight was at 170 pounds, neither affects his very good performance at 160 against the same Taylor.

You don't know if Calzaghe and Kessler would make Pavlik foolish, how the hell do you get to that?

Hopkins current level as P4P Top fighter is not affected at all based on the level of his opposition such as Tarver of 2006 or Winky of 2007. Nobody is ignoring the fact that he lost twice to Taylor but he doesn't go down with the so-called "American Foundation" and Taylor's collapse.

I would say that this makes no sense and is another fire starter to the rivalry between the best Euro Super-Middles and the best USA Middles and Light-Heavies, nothing more... Nobody can predict exactly how Kessler and Calzaghe would match with Taylor, Bernard, Pavlik if they don't get to a simple fight agreement.

 

Couldn't have put it better myself!!:happy :happy :happy

 

I'd have Taylor in the B- category, otherwise that's just about correct:good

 

:deal

 

Probably all stems from Hopkins blatent ducking out of a verbally agreed fight with Calzaghe

 

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My god this post gets dumber and dumber...

 

Erm..........:huh ...........he's fighting Kessler because Taylor turned him down just like Hopkins did when he asked for his money to be doubled following a verbal agreement. As Calzaghe can't really fight himself that only leaves Pavlik and Mundine from the original list!!

 

Calling Taylor, Hopkins, and Winky all frauds because of Pavlik beating Taylor is about as stupid and ignorant as overrating Joe Calzaghe as an ATG for beating a young and overhyped Jeff Lacy.

 

Taylor made alot of mistakes in his fight with Pavlik but he definitely is a good boxer, he has great hand speed with a good punch that floored Pavlik. I think its kind of funny people compare elite fighter like Wright and Hopkins to Calzaghe and Kessler, Calzaghes resume is a joke for being a champion first of all and Kessler I barely even heard of him. Calzaghe would of got schooled and probably knocked out if he fought Hopkins anywhere from 97-02, I love when people compare an ATG to someone who is a maybe hall of fame fighter imo.

 

You have serious hate issues towards america. Settle down freak nasty. It was an amazing fight; you don't need to dig into everything. I would love to see Kessler/Calzaghe vs Pavlik. I think it would be a much closer fight than you give Pavlik credit for.

 

The original post didn't call Hopkins, Wright etc frauds, just pointed out, quite correctly that the Pavlik/Taylor result doesn't reflect well on them.

As for your last point, whilst I'd be rooting for Calzaghe, I think a Pavlik v Calzaghe/Kessler would be a very tough fight and difficult to call

 

Lol Calzaghe....one day he might just pluck up the courage to fight Glen Johnson. When that day comes then comparisons between him and Hopkins can start.