Now that the dust has settled and floyd is facing the tougher comp......

:rofl:rofl:roflThats whay Barry Bonds would say to journalist who questioned whether he was juicing.:rofl:nut

We all know how that turned out!:yep

 

I don't know if you're stupid or if you're doing on purpose to ignore the fact that the text you just quoted basically said that 24 days or 14 days is not really an issue for the quality of the testing.

Look at the part I put in red letters man. Basically it says that Pac's 24 day proposal is just as reliable as 14 days anyways.


If anything, you made my point even stronger.

 

**** no and this is some serious bull**** that Floyd Mayweather Sr's baseless accusations can sink the mega-fight of the year.

 

If I understand it correctly divac, it was brought up because there was a source saying he actually juiced up, not just because of a speculation that he might be on something just because he was chasing a record. Nor did anybody accused of McGuire of juicing up while he was chasing that record. It was because somebody directly linked them to the subject. Where as in Pac's situation, they still could not directly point anything at Pac, still all just speculation up to this point.

 

I agree, the ten mill was bad, but at least can see why (JMM fight?). And if Floyd made weight as he would, it's not really a factor.

But team Pac did propose an alternative remember. So it wasn't Olympic style...it was still above and beyond the norm, which was fine for Floyd his entire career.

 

No, there were documents to support. Not the same thing.

 

FFS... Barry Bonds went from wearing a size 8 hat to a 12, his feet grew, and he went from being a 170 pound base stealer to a 220+ pound power hitter, all inside of less than five years. Manny has gained roughly ten to fifteen pounds over a similar time period, and has carried up enough of his power to stop two chinny fighters and a weight-drained semi-retiree.

The "proof" that Manny has cheated is still only Floyd, Floyd Sr., and Paulie Malinaggi saying he did. That's a pretty big difference.

There is nothing Manny has done in the sport (key word there being "done", not what somebody "said") that must be explained by PED use. Really, I expect better from you divac.

 

You're misinterpreted what he's saying to try and throw weight behind your agenda, he's not saying the 24 or 14 days isn't an issue, he's saying that it's less of an issue compared to the 2 months before depending on who is doing the testing, stating Nevada and the state of California specifically.

Back to the original point after you tried to side step the issue, you asked me what was he going to cycle in this window, the USADA have stated clearly that he could in theory use "human growth hormone for sure, levels of testosterone, and other designer steroids"

I hope that's cleared that up, I don't think there is any need for you to answer my question as the USADA have already answered it for you.:good

 

Exactly, so basically the only thing Pacquiao could use without getting caught is 24 days of HGH, other designer steroids being detectable in urine. However just about every site I've read says that HGH is something that athletes cycle over several months to build muscle and tissue.

So... it doesn't enhance his performance if he takes HGH for only 24 days, almost half of which is a taper down period at the end of his training camp.

Check the facts for yourself. That's why this guy who is with the USADA and obviously has an agenda since he wants the USADA to do the testing for the fight said that the issue is not really 14 days or 24 days, its what the testing before that is like. If its the NSAC doing the testing its still bad.

 

I've used a pro hormone before and you would be surprised at how quick it works, superdrol only works for 3 weeks then you come off it and you would be surprised at how much weight and muscle you can put on in a short period of time while dropping your body fat, whether that is traceable in blood or urine I'm not sure but it's an example of what is capable in such a short period of time.

Going back to the comment about before the 24 days for just a moment, did Pacquiao even agree to random testing up until this time? From my understanding he offered up 3 dates for blood testing and offered to move the 30 day test forward to 24 days, which would in effect give plenty of time for long term cycling between set blood tests.


He made it clear that the initial position of Pacquiao was that he would agree to a blood test one day before the kickoff press conference, a second test 30 days before the fight and a third in the dressing room immediately after the fight.


“We agreed to go to 24 days before the fight for the blood test but he [Mayweather] rejected it and that’s it. It’s over,” said Arum.



http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideSports.htm?f=2010/january/9/sports2.isx&d=2010/january/9

Or as Victor Conte would call it...

"Otherwise," he explains,"it’s what they call ’announced testing’ and I’ve historically called that ’I.Q. testing’. So to apply that to other sports, it would be like showing up to training camp for Major League Baseball and they test you. That’s announced testing. You have to be pretty dumb to show up at training camp or at ’announced testing’ and test positive. The clearance time of most of these drugs that are out there are well known."

 

Anytime a fighter goes up that many divisions and mantains virtually the same power, workrate, and energy through so many jumps......thats cause for suspicion right there........

You cant name me one fighter that has jumped that many divisions and lost virtually none of there physical attributes, not a ****ing one........

What convinced me was not Pacquiao's victory of Cotto, but the manner in which he beat him........fighting the naturally bigger Cotto with fire.......
I'd have remained silent on this issue had Pac just used his speed to outwork Cotto.........

.....but Pacroid did'nt just outwork Cotto, he worked him over as if he was the bigger stronger fighter......and that just sticks out like a sore thumb.......

You'd have to be a complere moron to not suspect Pac's not on something the way he worked Cotto over.
That was the convincer for me.......point blank!!!

Did I have the right to accuse Pac of PED use after that Cotto performance???? Absolutely not!
That avenue however opened up bright and clear when Pac refused legit testing.
You damn right I have the right to suggest a fighter is cheating when he does'nt want to legitly be tested.
The rumors are printed all over and this man refuses to prove those rumors false.:-(
Thats just the thing, Pac could have diffused these rumors in the bud, by just from the onset welcoming the testing.
People say that Mayweather was trying to gain an edge on Pac by playing mind games with him as far as the testing was concerned.......
.....but I say the opposite......had Pac from the onset just said, "lets do it brother, it would have left Mayweather shaking his head and thinking, "this man must really be clean, he did'nt even flinch at the suggestion."
.....and it would have been Pac gaining that monumental mental edge over Mayweather just by going along with the testing without hesitation.

When you hesitate, 99 times out of 100, you're hiding something.....

I say Mayweather asked for better testing for a Pac fight for good reason........you'd have to be wearing blinders not to see it!

 

You sadly are wrong......the bigger the window of non testing, the better the chance that someone can mask that he actually cheated........thats why the fight was'nt made......Pac wanted it set at 24 days, and Mayweather was willing to let it stand at 14 days, though he would have preferred testing up to the day before the fight.

This is common knowleadge, you should read around the forum before spewing nonsense.

 

I'm going to say no, but I honestly don't know. However, I do think its a bit odd he wouldn't take a blood test that would've resulted in big money win or lose.

Here's another peice of coincidence that may make him look bad though. Another one of Freddie Roach's fighters James "Lights Out" Toney was caught with steroids in his system after becoming HW champ after beating John Ruiz. James dominated as a MW and SMW(until Jones beat him). He says he lost to Jones because of struggles with making weight. Later he went down hill as a LHW, but than James was more muscular and in shape as a CW and climbed his way back to the top of the moutain and was champ again. Now James is a great fighter, but it is suspicious that James became a muscled up CW as soon as Roach became his trainer(he was a CW before, but not well toned and as big.) Sure toney is a fat ass(well was in his last fight, in a recent video he looked to be in better shape.), but did Roach give him steroids?

I doubt it, but its just something I found interesting.

 

News flash.........they are not going to be testing for just HGH here.