Now that the dust has settled... where does Wlad belongs ?

Some more of the 80s guys could possibly beat him at their best like......

Mike Weaver
Gerrie Coetzee
Greg Page

A few more.....

Frank Bruno
Oliver McCall
Max Baer
Jersey Joe Walcott
Max Schmeling
Prime Jimmy Young

Some of these are toss ups but I don't see Shavers being a favourite in any of these fights.

 

I'm not sure where I'd rate him TBH trying to rate 50 odd boxers in order would blow my mind.

I would say 40-50 is fine based on his ATG power which makes him a live threat.

 

Thompson was more consistent. Tony wasn’t worse, just less famous.

 

Why do you bring up Thompson so frequently? He wasn't even good in his own era, and it was literally the shittest era ever. He's quite possibly the most irrelevant heavyweight to ever compete.

It wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't even real.

 

You seem upset. Tony would be top 5 at worst in Marciano’s era bc Tony competed in a much better era. Come back when you have something to say.

 

What does Marciano's era have to do with anything? You literally just picked the second worst era ever

But to your point, Tony wasn't even top five in his own era bro. He failed to overtake Tomasz Adamek and Bermain Stiverne, and you think he'll overtake Marciano, Moore, Charles and Walcott? Ridiculous.

The guys best win is David Prince

 

If you knew the sport like I do, you’d know that his win over a prime Krasniqi on the road was better than either Price win.

Stiverne and Adamek would also do well in Marciano’s era, and neither was top five in Wlad’s era.

 

Oh that's easy.

People who probably beat Shavers:

1-Jack Johnson
2-Jack Dempsey
3-Gene Tunney
4-Archie Moore
5-Walcott
6-Baer
7-Louis
8-Liston
9-Terrel
10-Chuvalo
11-Page
12-Dokes
13-Thomas
14-Tyson
15-Holyfield
16-Tua
17-Lewis
18-Mercer
19-McCall
20-Foreman
21-Tucker
22-Brewster
23-Vitali
24-Povetkin
25-Ortiz
26-Wilder
27-Fury
28-Parker
29-Andy Ruiz
30-Zheng


I'm not saying it's impossible for Shavers to beat these 30 fighters, but if it's prime vs prime in their best shape and motivated, I would absolutely favor the majority of them to beat Shavers. I think Baer, Chuvalo, Page, Thomas, Terrel, and Tucker are competitive, "winnable" fights, but very dangerous and he has a good chance of losing. The rest imo wouldn't be close at all and he either gets outboxed or stopped.

The question is, do YOU think Shavers should be favored to win against these 30 boxers prime vs prime?

 

Of those not listed by @Dynamicpuncher
Folley, Fitzsimmons, Sharkey, Terrell, Ellis, Machen, Moorer, Bivins, Corbett, Bonavena, Chuvalo, Cooney, Ruiz, Rahman, Berbick, Loughran, Douglas, Ruddock, Jeanette, Burns, Jeffries, McVey, Schaaf, Carnera.
Just my opinion of course.

 

I think you've completely missed the point if you're splitting hairs between David Price and Luan Krasniqi.

Neither would do much better than a Lastarza or Layne or something. Saying both would be top five in one of the worst eras ever means nothing, when they'd get absolutely slaughtered by Marciano, Walcott, Charles or Moore.

Adamek was top ten from 2010 to 2013, and Stiverne for 2014 & 2015. So wrong on that one. Also, what does Wlad's era have to do with my point about Thompson? Seems awfully defensive.

 

His ceiling of talent stops at the performance he had to produce to beat Povetkin. There's nothing beyond that performance - -one of the worst foul fests in the history of the sport is his defining moment and his best "victory"
You could also ask what is so great about a guy that went life and death with the HW version of Jeff Lacy - Sam Peters