Now this is what I'm talkin about!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Zone36, Nov 30, 2009.


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  1. Zone36

    Zone36 Member Full Member

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    I'll save you the trouble he picks Floyd, but this is by far the best analysis of the possible Pacquiao/Floyd match up.

    It's fairly thoughtful of both fighters strengths and weaknesses. Also conditions and scenarios for each fighter's victory.

    I still don't like his pick (since I'm a manny fan), but the way he presented his argument actually kept me listening. It feels like it was well prepared.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxiQZzJBAgo&fmt=18[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oNhSTXyIh4&fmt=18[/ame]

    Like I said before I really want Manny to win. I also feel that he can win, but I still wonder how much he has changed from the Marquez fight.

    Since let's face it, Marquez is the smartest fighter he's faced out of all his opposition recently.

    Now imagine him fighting Marquez, but now he's faster, bigger, and better reach. It worries me. (Although I'll admit I'm worried before each Pacquiao fight, I often wonder will the old Pacman come out tonight? Thankfully not so far...)

    But really comparing him from a long time ago it's a vast improvement.
    He's much smarter and far far more composed than he used to be.

    One X factor no one talks about is heart. It can't really be quantified, but I feel it's something Manny has the advantage in.

    Even if he is/might be the under dog in this fight. There are just some people who have the ability rise to the occasion. Which might partly explain how he's gotten this far.

    There have been guys who have taken Floyd to the edge OR at least gone the distance. (Zab/Hoya/Hatton) And have even come close to beating him.

    Manny has taken better care of himself than some of the others, and has more will than a couple of the others to press out a full 12 rounds.

    So I really think it's much closer than either side believes.

    I believe if the old Manny shows his face, the game is lost.
    But IF he can keep his cool and keep listening to Freddie in the corner, there is no reason why he doesn't have a good chance to win this fight.
     
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  2. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    he made a pretty blatant mistake. A 3 knockdown round is 10-6, not 10-7.
     
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  3. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

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    I think rules state that there is no such thing as 10-6 score in boxing.
     
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  4. redifish

    redifish Active Member Full Member

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    His analysis is well prepared. But he prepared the wrong the analysis. The Pacquiao-Morales I and JMM 2x fights, Manny has already improved by leaps and bounds, in terms of offense/defense, not to mention maintaining his speed while going up in weight, and furthermore increasing the power behind his punches.

    He could have broken down the last fight(Cotto).
     
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  5. Zone36

    Zone36 Member Full Member

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    Nice points to make. As you can see, I'm not as knowledgeable as others.

    And going back to the heart thing. I still think there is something to losing a few times and being able to rebuild yourself stronger.
     
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  6. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hey one question before i give you my take.When did Gary Coleman finally grow up and become a boxing analysis?:rofl:rofl:lol:
     
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  7. Zone36

    Zone36 Member Full Member

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    That's taking all black people look alike to new levels. I've probably seen white people who look more like Gary Coleman than this guy.
     
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  8. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    "WHATCHA YOU TALKING BOUT WILLIS" He looks a lot like Gary Coleman.
     
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  9. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He made some real good points and i agree with him that Manny has a good shot early.However I disagree with him on Mayweather possibly becoming the agressor later in the fight, I think Mayweather plays it safe after feeling Pacs power. As of right now though im thinking Mayweather wins this by decision.
     
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  10. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    He makes some good points, however I still don't think people should be using the Morales and JMM fights as blue prints to beat Pac. The reason being, is the obvious fact that Pac is not that same fighter anymore. He's a completely different animal. He was better off using the Cotto fight to highlight Pac's vulnerabilities, as it was the latest version of Manny we've seen.

    In regards to this analysis guy, I've enjoyed a lot of his previous videos. However he does have the tendency to make exaggerated claims, one of them being....."Amir Khan has more power than Manny" :huh. Now this could have been before the Hatton/Cotto fights when he said this, I can't remember. But seeing as though his boxing knowledge is higher than most, I'm sure he'll retract that little statement.
     
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  11. Joe

    Joe ♦♣♥♠Slowhand♦♣♥♠ Full Member

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    I didn't even think there was 10-7 never heard of that...
     
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  12. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    the ****? that guy isn't even fat
     
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  13. unorthodox

    unorthodox Well-Known Member Full Member

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    hahaha
     
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  14. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    lol
     
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  15. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    I like Dwyer's analysis of the fight but I think he's overselling Mayweather's ability to adjust.

    Realistically, Mayweather only took over after Judah wore down from the exchanges. It is well known that Judah at 147 is a 4 round fighter at best. Carlos Baldomir, a journeyman, established this fact before Mayweather fought Judah.

    Realistically, Mayweather only took over after DLH wore down from inactivity, injuries and age. Once DLH started to lax with the jab Mayweather was able to establish himself.

    Realistically, Mayweather only took over after Hatton became weaker and weaker inside due to being smaller and most likely weight drained with his bad conditioning.

    In all three of those fights, Mayweather knew full well the limitations of his opponents. He knew these guys could be chipped away at over 12 rounds and beaten with few if any adjustments. Apart from the odd defensive posture, Mayweather rarely adjusted to what his opponents were doing. He simply outlasted them.

    I just don't see him ad******g well to Pacquiao's constant pressure, speed and power. He will not be as easy to dissuade as Mayweather's last 10 or so opponents.

    Mayweather is good at what he does but I think we'll be seeing a good boxer against a great boxer. That great boxer is Manny Pacquiao.
     
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