Now who wins prime Calzaghe or prime Ward?

The term was posted around here years ago. I definitely didn't make it up.... Im sure HoldMyBeer would remember.

 

Fair enough. Im sure someone may have wrote that, but that doesnt mean everyone though, and you cant base an argument on a few comments of a few posters unless there are many saying it.

Cleverly isnt anywhere near as good as Calzaghe but I would say that I think he could be arguably the best fighter from Wales since Calzaghe

 

Not even the title? Lol

 

Not even a title? What are you going on about?
The title asks a question but doesnt name. You need to catch on a bit

 

Who you fight determines whether you're taking risks or not, not where you fight them. Fighters aren't to be blamed for having a superior negotiating Team.

What exactly have you seen from Kessler inberween his fights against Calzaghe and Ward to suggest he was prime against Joe but past it against Andre? Didn't he score his most notable win after Ward beat him? Same with Froch who put his best performance against Bute after Ward dealt with him.

Coming in to the Calzaghe fight, Kessler's best win was probably Librado Andrade who's about Isaac Chilemba Level. Kovalev's wins over Pascal, Cleverley and old B-Hop take a huge dump on pre-Calzaghe Kessler's resume, not to mention Krusher looked more dangerous than Kessler ever did in his career. Kovalev was a far bigger risk for Ward than Kessler was for Calzaghe. There's No comprasion there. None, what so ever.

 

****en dumbass lmao. You're too smart for your own good. It's ok if people pick Ward to beat Calzaghe.

 

It wasn't a low blow fest.

How many actual low blows did you count?

 

The only issue with that, is that the majority of those people don't like Ward.

 

Of course where you fight them and the terms assist. Why if otherwise was Ward not wanting any of his S6 fights as they away fighter? (home fighters have a greater chance I think) If that poster is correct about Ward not wanting neutral officials, why not? Do you think it would have been a bigger risk for Ward to face Kovalev in Russia? Do answer honestly or tell me it makes no odds.

Several things. He had been less active before Ward. His timing was reported to be off in his previous fight, he didnt have undefeated fighters confidence, Ward was able to follow Calzaghes blueprint, Kessler had bad eye problems

They scored those wins because they got those fights at that time. Silly thing to say. G Foreman scored a great win over Moorer but he wasnt prime to give just one of many examples

When you dont know, you shouldnt be posting. Kessler had beaten 3 time WBC and reigning champ Beyer who was above Cleverly, beaten WBC champ Siaca, Lucas, Mundine inbetween WBA reigns which is greater than Hopkins at that time, so Kessler had a far greater resume at that time and had looked every bit as dangerous and shown better boxing ability if you are saying undefeated Andrade who had done more than beaten Chilemba if you are using those fighters for your failed argument.

Point proven to you

 

You backed away now that you tried to make a comment and got picked apart. I think what you really mean is too smart for you. Lol

 

Of course Loudon. This is why you are not taken seriously anymore

 

More than one and the finishing one looked low to me. I felt Ward used an elbow at one time and didnt get a point deducted.
It was terrible and Im shocked that it was allowed to go without question

 

Haha!

That actually made me laugh out loud.

You really need to click on that link.

Get yourself some help.

 

Proven my butt.

Being the home fighter only means something in razor Close fights, like the first Kovalev fight. Kovalev himself is a US based fighter, so US was the only place that fight could take place. In %90 of times, domestic judges are used when 2 fighters who are based in the same country are used.

"0" on the record doesn't mean ****, Kessler proved that he was just as much of a capable contender AFTER Ward beat, just like Froch did. The rest of your post was just a pile of lame ass excuses. Some People also make excuses for Calzaghe's win over Kessler too, claiming that he was "injured". I don't give a **** about any of those. Both Calzaghe and Ward beat a Game, very capable Kessler. To claim Calzaghe took a "far greater risk" is silly and a very fanboyish thing to say.

And to bring up Big George's win over Moorer is very dumb. The circumctances couldn't be any further apart. First, Fraizer and Norton were far better win for Foreman. The only reason the win over Moorer gets more attention is because of the meaning of it, It made him the oldest champion ever. But anyone with a braincell could see that he was far, far, far from his best in that fight. But when you Watch Froch against Bute or Kessler against Froch, you could see that they weren't past it at all. If Kessler is a Great win and a Great risk for Cal, he's a Great win and a Great risk for Ward too.

Meyer was a very average titlist, same as Cleverley. Naming Mundine as a good Win tells me all I need to know. Pascal's win over prime Chad Dawson is far superior to anything any Kessler opponent has done bar Froch who he beat after Ward.

Anthony Mundine

 

In the early 00's, Joe knew that Ottke wouldn't unify with him.

He walked around at 190 plus pounds.

He said he wanted recognisable names.

He said he wanted career defining fights.

He said there were no other big fights on the horizon.

He said he was willing to move up to LHW.

He said although he'd beaten good fighters, he'd never beaten a great one.


Everything above is factual.

What happened?

He continued to starve himself to make the SMW limit to fight: Brewer, Jiminez, Pudwill, Mitchell, Mkrtchyan and Salem etc.


He had zero interest in fighting Tarver, Dawson or Pavlik, saying they hadn't impressed him and they'd done nothing to warrant a fight.

Yet he was happy to fight Manfredo and Bika, as well as Roy, who he actually phoned up after he'd labelled him as being shot since 2004.


This is a man who spent 14 years at SMW, and who defended a lightly regarded title for 10 years, making 21 defences, with only 7 of those being mandatories.


Was he a great fighter?

He certainly was.


Did he take risks?

He was still fighting guys like Mkrtchyan in his 30's.


Would he have moved up to LHW and fought a guy like Sergey Kovalev?

I'll tell you when I've pulled myself up from the floor after falling out of my chair.