Now who wins prime Calzaghe or prime Ward?

No responses to Dino. That's my official policy.

I don't troll, sorry Loudon. Try harder.


Reid -- hand injury

Bika -- 9/3 rounds, 9/3 rounds, 8/4 rounds. Not sure how clear you want it. Calz 34 years old, Bika 27.

Kessler -- real power that Ward doesn't have

Hopkins -- real power that Ward doesn't have. Joe 36 at the time and beyond his best days.


Ward is an easy win for Calzaghe. As said, Ward has nothing to offer Calzaghe. Wrong skill set, wrong opponent for Ward. Calzaghe would dismantle Ward.

I think the boxing public has wised up to Ward's limitations. He's a heck of a fighter, but not at Calzaghe's level. Off the top of my head, Ward is one of the weakest purported pound-for-pound #1 fighters I can recall in the sport's history.

I'm impressed by the poll results. Casual Fan seems to be learning more about the sport, which is always a good thing to see.

 

Spot on. And the polls between these two never change because the majority know how good Calzaghe was and how overrated that POS Ward is.

 

Seen as YOU are talking money....what was thr bigger money fight, Froch or Jones?

 

Old man Hopkins was a power puncher now

Reid -- Boxed Joe's head off and got robbed on the cards. He'd have hand problems against Ward too because he had bad hands for the ENTIRETY of his career.
It came about from slapping the bag 1000's of times with poor technique.

Im still waiting for you to 'destroy' me in debate. You won't because you CAN'T.

 

Ward is a very good fighter within what he does. But if you take him out of that, or get someone beyond his ability range, he'd get exposed. And that would be the case with Calzaghe.

The only way Ward could make the fight competitive would be if he could damage Calzaghe with, say, a headbutt. As he did to Kessler, and as Bika seemed to try to do with Calzaghe. I don't think Calzaghe had much of a history of cuts or bad swelling, however, that I can recall.

It still wouldn't be enough, but it might make things seem more competitive.

In summary, Calzaghe is too good of an athlete (particularly as regards speed) for Ward to succeed against. And his reach is too long. And his chin/punch resistance is too good. And his workrate is too high. And so on.

Calzaghe is "beyond" Ward's ability level. I think Ward would be extremely frustrated in the bout as he would be basically shut down against the Welshman.

 

Calzaghe was the concensus number 1, Hopkins and the world damn well knew who he was.

As for Joe moving up, maybe but when Hopkins moved up most of his stellar wins where naturally smaller men being dragged up.

Hopkins had the chance and bottled it.

 

Calzaghe not only lost rounds to total bums , he got FLOORED by them too.

Dropped by Mitchel who went 2-10-0 in his next 12 fights

Dropped and taken the distance by Egyptian pizza delivery man Salem.

Won against Reid only because of a bogus point deduction - not because he was the better boxer. Reid got dominated by Branco in his very next fight.

A far inferior version of Ward beat a much fresher and better Hopkins more decisively than Joe.

Hopkins proved Joes skills were not at Elite level and nobody learned that more than Joe himself since he wanted absolutely nothing to do with the rematch.

There's nothing Hopkins did in that fight that Ward couldn't do , but unlike Hopkins he had far superior endurance and would better his performance by multiple levels.
There isn't a fight on Calzaghes resume that proves he would beat Ward.

 

Hopkins gave everything he had in that fight and acquitted himself relatively well. He just didn't realize what he was getting in with before he stepped in the ring.

Calzaghe's workrate and conditioning wears guys out. That's what happened to Hopkins, although Hopkins was admittedly old at the time (as was Joe).

Calzaghe was a freak, a boxing machine. Just a great athlete who became a great fighter.

One of the best to ever lace them up.

 

that was actually MY point, get quicker mate.

 

no, he was the equivalent of an ibo like eubank jnr today, albeit with a few wins worth something

you just said he asked for more money - now you changed it to bottled it. Why have you changed your tune?

 

So you admit that Jones was not only the better fight but way more lucrative than Froch?

 

Please explain how CEJ and JC superstar are similar

 

I've just explained to you how a pre-2004 wbo titlist and todays IBO titlists are both unrecognised at that point in time.

It is not my business that you choose to pretend that you werent told it - though please explain why you maintain that pretence when you are ready, if you can.

 

Based on what evidence?

 

Its amusing that you are trying to pretend you are winning an argument, by winning MY SIDE of the argument, and trying to pass it off as yours. You are a funny guy.

By all means, keep proving that I am right, thanks. But dont pretend my win is yours, noones buying that.