NSAC: Evangilista saw Margo get his hands wrapped

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  1. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Your opinion, which is based off of flawed logic, means very little to anyone with a reasonable level of intelligence and lack of bias.

    This is dumb argument, and pretty much irrelevant. I've given numerous explanations of why he might try to cheat in one fight and not the other. It doesn't matter anyway. There were at least 3 witnesses that saw him wrap his hands against Cotto. That would strongly suggest that he was clean in that fight.

    That's a statement that was made by Arum. Arum claims Evangilista was working another fighter's corner at the time. However, Evangilista worked one other fight that day, and that was at 4p.m, too early to interfere with the later bout. The inspector who was in the room says Evangilista was there.



    You're completely incorrect here. In the Margo/Mosley fight, Margo's hands were wrapped when Richardson entered the room. Richardson asked for the hands to be rewrapped, and couple of blocks fell out according to Richardson. He didn't have to do much investigating in that one. There's a good chance the CSAC wasn't even present when Margo had his hands wrapped. In this case, at least 3 witnesses were there when he wrapped is hands. Now no one can prove that he still wasn't able to cheat regardless. However, that accusation is nothing but a conspiricy theory in which there is no proof of.
     
  2. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I don't ride on anyone's nuts. I barely even post about Floyd. There are too many threads on him as it is.

    Because people do that often when they speak of events that weren't in the recent past. If his memory was hazy, he would've said something to the effect that he wasn't sure or he didn't know.

    It's more than half ass evidence. This is a pretty big story that was posted on a popular boxing site today, why wouldn't I post it? It's not random, and I never claimed it to be random. As far as Cotto, for all I know, he's getting his info from Arum. Arum has already admitted that he doesn't know if Evangilista was in there. However, eyewitness testimony is pretty credible. It's not like Evangilista is some stranger, these guys are all familiar with him. Therefore, it's pretty reasonable to believe them when they say he was in the room. This claim could easily be refuted and they know this. It would seem pretty stupid for them to lie. To call eyewitness testimony half ass evidence is pretty ignorant on your part. If someone you know says they saw you rob a bank and you have no aliby, you think the cops are going to dismiss it as half ass evidence?
     
  3. BigReg

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    Your quote proved nothing. Who knows why Miguel said that? Someone could've missinformed him. Who knows? Eyewitness testimony is pretty damaging though. Now if Nady or Evangilista refute the claim, then the inspector's statement comes into question. And the inspector is being careful with his words to protect himself. He may not be a 100% sure, but that doesn't mean he's wrong. Judging from his statements, it doesn't seem like he's guessing regardless. Furthermore, Kizer remarked that from everyone he talked to that Evangilista was in the room. This means multiple people placed him in that room. Here's the quote;

    "Well, Bob was not back there, nor was I," Kizer said. "But Jack Lazzarotto and Jay Nady were. And when the hands were wrapped, Evangelista was back there, that was my understanding. ... From everyone I've talked to, Evangelista was back there and he was definitely on his game and definitely observing the hand wraps of Mr. Margarito."

    Seriously, how can you simply dissmiss this?
     
  4. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Everyone ? i thought he said laz and nady was there?lol. And Nady wasn't even the ref for the Cotto vs Margarito fight lol.
     
  5. JasonChaos27

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    What im saying is the nsac rep is going to say anything to cover his ass. Im not saying Margo did or didnt cheat in that fight, logically there is not enough physical evidence to support it either way. Im sure Cotto would know if his uncle was in the room, im sure his uncle would have told him if he was or wasnt. I would take Cottos word, because im sure if his uncle was in the room like i said before, he would know, over the nsac rep who clearly has a purpose of saving his own ass and who leaves room f or error in statements for that same purpose.

    You clearly dislike Cotto, which again is fine, Im not that big of a fan either like I said before. In fact, id be more than happy to find a few posts with you discrediting him completely. So its no surprise that you blindly take the statement of the nsac rep. And by the way...when someone says my recollection and it was ayear and a half ago but...they leave room for error because they arent 100 percent sure, or if caught lying they can use the same excuse. So ya, it is half assed evidence. If he was 100 percent sure, he would have said, yes, absolutely Evanglista was in that room that night. But he didnt.

    So ya if a bank robbery happened, and a witness told the cops it was me, they would arrest me. At least for questioning. If i was tried, and that same witness said...it was a year and a half ago, but to my recollection, ya it was him. The jury would hopefully not convict on that.
     
  6. BigReg

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    Just because he said Nady and Laz were there doesn't mean that they were the only ones there or that there is no one else who knows for sure who was there. It doesn't matter if Nady was the ref for the fight, he was still there.
     
  7. BigReg

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    I'm saying that would be an ineffective way of covering his ass considering it could easily be exposed as a lie.

    There were multiple people in that room who have all told Kizer that Evangilista was there. I'm supposed to dissregard multiple eye witness testimony in favor of people who weren't in the room? This makes sense to you? Again, I have no interest in discrediting Cotto here. Margo being clean in no way discredits Cotto. You're just trying to use desparate tactics to distract from the truth.
     
  8. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    I'm curious why is Nady there if he isn't the one that will ref for the Cotto vs Margarito fight? Isn't the assigned official ref suppost to be there? Hmm sounds like the commissioner just lie out of his own mouth.
     
  9. freddy-wak

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    i remember a interview where evangelista said nothing went wrong with the wraps, and even cotto said his team did there job....

    after the controversy and a few bitter fans, the story started changing all of a sudden.......
     
  10. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Of course you remember i mean you're not a biased Margarito fan right? :lol::lol::lol::lol: Man just stop freddy just stay quiet for now.
     
  11. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Show me the rule in the NSAC handbook where it states. You are guessing here.
     
  12. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Are you an idiot? Are you going to tell me that assigned official don't have to be in the dressing room checking on a fighter that he's assigned to ref? Nady wasn't the assigned official in which means i bet he wasn't even there in which just proved Kazir just lie big time.
     
  13. BigReg

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    Ray, show me where it states in the handbook where the ref has to be back there checking the handwraps. Show me proof of this rule. You sit here in call me an idiot, yet my whole argument is based off of direct quotes. Yours is based off of guesses. Look at his other quote from Laz;

    "I can tell you emphatically, I checked the wraps and I felt the wraps and there was nothing illegal about the wraps,"

    Again, your only refute is that everyone is lying. You further based this assertion on interpretation of rules that you don't even know. You state that they're just covering their asses. However, if they were lying, it could easily be detected. Not only that, they are not under fire. The CSAC are the ones that it is proven were going to let him walk into the ring with illegal wraps. You notice they're not making any statements. But hey, maybe you're right. Maybe the NSAC is voluntarilly telling lies(even though they could be exposed as liars easily) when they could easily keep their mouths shut and be perfectly fine.
     
  14. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    like i've asked many to do before....go back to my history and please, please show me any thread or any post of mine that would make you think i'm a die hard margo fan....i'm actually a die hard cotto fan but i just hate winy ass fans with nothing better to do then make excuses......listen man, i almost came to tears when cotto lost that fight but you can't take credit from margo over some bull****.....do you know what you're doing ???? do you have any idea that you're trying to erase history...and not only with margo, but with other men who were actually cheating intentionally......what happened with margo was a simple stupid mistake by his trainer, and if you've seen the pad, then you would realize that, that little pad wouldn't of even done ****.....or are you one of those kids that actually think he had a brick, or brass knuckles in his glove
     
  15. Antwuan Maxx

    Antwuan Maxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I can dismiss this relatively easy. One, Kizor was not present. Two, Kizor is not going to admit to having done anything wrong, or else his commision's credibility would be under fire. I could go on, but I'll stop there.

    It's ironic you label Cotto's statement proofless, when Miguel would have been more aware of Evangelista's whereabouts than anyone since they were in the same room. Yet, you seem to have no problem going by hearsay of a man with anonymous sources and who admits to not being present when everything went down.