( o ) ABCDEs - Ranking puzzle...( o )

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  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Thank you, tobkhan...!
     
  2. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A is tops as he is 3-1

    B is second: he is 2-2, but beats C and D who are also 2-2

    D is third: he is 2-2, but loses to B, but beats C

    C is fourth: he too is 2-2 but loses to both his peers B and D

    E is fifth as he is 1-3

    It must be assumed all fighters were of very similar ability, thus no win means more than any other, other than in breaking a tie against your peer.
     
  3. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Some good answers; some - clearly wrong!:deal
     
  4. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Any more takers? Too difficult for you?
     
  5. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    2-3 takers! Very brave!
     
  6. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I will post my answer in 24 hours!:D
     
  7. Vockerman

    Vockerman LightJunior SuperFlyweigt Full Member

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    I find myself in the unenviable position of disagreeing with my esteemed colleague Cross Trainer - which I have found in the past to be a position fraught with peril - so I will be a little more mathematical to attempt to justify my rankings. Please bear with me.

    If I have made an error in my analysis I respectfully invite you to please point it out to me.

    My central premise is simple -
    No one boxes to lose :hey

    So IF wins are all that matter

    A is first he has three wins.

    B,C and D each have 2 wins - what do we do now?

    Quality of opposition - count the wins their opponents have (wins are all that matter) -
    B has wins over guys that have combined 4 wins (C has 2 wins D has 2 wins)
    C has wins over guys that have 4 wins (A has 3 and E has 1)

    So they are still tied

    D has wins over guys that have 3 wins (C has 2 and E has 1) so he has an even record with B and C over the weaker opposition and should go behind B and C.

    Between B and C they have even scores of wins and even strength of opposition ( 4 wins by guys they beat ) so it comes down to head to head in which B takes it by virtue of his win against C

    E is the weakest with no real argument for avoiding last place.

    A B C D E

    IF WINNING IS ALL THAT MATTERS :good
     
  8. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Does it no matter whom they win against, though? Methinks so...good effort, but have another go!:good
     
  9. C. M. Clay II

    C. M. Clay II Manassah's finest! Full Member

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    I agree with this.
     
  10. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Unfortunately, it's wrong...:|
     
  11. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Hint: use logic and a systematic approach to find the right answer...don't simply use your gut instinct!:good
     
  12. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My analysis:

    #1 - Fighter "A" seems to be the best fighter of the bunch, my guess is that he's probably the most talented of the group and the most consistent fighter who just didnt match up very well with "C"

    #2 - I give fighter "C" second place. Given that we don't have a body of work to go by, his wins over the best and worst fighter of the group means, at the very least, he appears to be a competant contender that can rise to the occasion but clearly has his limitations hence the losses.*

    #3 - Third Place goes to Fighter "B" the dangerous but inconsistent puncher. I label him a puncher and Based on his losses more so than his wins. He lost to the best and worst fighters. His loss to A was not so surprising given A's superior ability. But his loss to E is clearly a case of fighters blowing "give me" fights. Punchers tend to be more inconsistent than boxers. A limited puncher can concievably beat good fighters (C,D) based on his physical attributes but will fall short against an elite fighter with stellar chin (A). Furthermore they are likely to come in over confident against lesser fighters (E).*


    #4 - Fighter "D" has a win over C and E showing that he can beat a Trial Horse and a decent contender. Probably a semi skilled fighter with an average chin to the extent that he lost to the best fighter and he lost to a dangerous puncher. His losses are respectable. Why does he come in 4th? because Fighter "C" edges him based of his win over the best fighter and Fighter "B" edges him because of thier head to head match up.

    #5 - I think its pretty obvious that Fighter "E" comes in last. Though we shouldnt speculate that he's a terrible fighter.




    *C and B to me are the only interchangable ones to me. A, D and E are the only ones whose places IMO should be 1, 4 and 5 respectively.
     
  13. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Interesting analysis...I think about it in a different way!:good
     
  14. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    No more answers?
     
  15. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Ok...this is how this thing works...Firstly, we use Occam's principle...keeping the number of awkward styles for the 5 fighters to a minimum.

    First, you have to work out why C cannot be first...If he were, he would still be beaten by B and D...but these fighters were themselves beaten by A...clearly, if C gets beaten by such fighters, he cannot be the best...the only reason he beat A was styles!

    Secondly, you work out that A has to be first...this is obvious...he was only beaten by C, because of styles.

    Thirdly, you have to work out why B cannot be last...B beats both C and D so he cannot be that bad...why argue that B has an awkard style for C and D, but not A? There's no point in complicating matters unncessarily (Occam's principle)

    Fourthly, you work out that E has to be last...the only reason why E beats B is because he is awkward for the style of B...he loses to everyone else, though...

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    Next, you have to work out that C cannot be second...C beats A because he is awkward for A! If he weren't awkward, but in fact very good he would beat at least one of B or D too! And then, he would no longer be second, but first. But we have already established that C cannot be first. A is first!

    We use the same argument to establish that B comes before D...the reason B gets beaten by E is that E is awkward for B...if E were in fact better than B, E would beat either C or D as well. But he doesn't, so he is not better than B. But B beats D! Sure, because he's better!

    If C cannot be second, and B is better than D, then B has to come second!

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    Next, you establish that C has to come after D...not the other way around...it checks out! D beats C! Not the other way around! Also, fewer awkward style complications this way! C is not that good...he beats A only on styles...

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    :good