Oats v Eggs?

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by MattMattMatt, Apr 28, 2010.


  1. MattMattMatt

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    This came as a suprise to me, but oats actually have more protein per gram (~17%) than eggs (~13%). Can anybody shed any light on why we never hear as oats as being a good source of protein? In fact, it's high in complex carbs, has no sugar, next to no salt, high in fibre and high in protein - it sounds bloody good as far as healthy food goes, training or not!

    I have to admit that I wouldn't feel like I was getting the required protein by downing a bowl of oats after a hard weights session.

    "Oat protein is nearly equivalent in quality to soy protein, which has been shown by the World Health Organization to be equal to meat, milk, and egg protein" Lasztity, Radomir (1999). The Chemistry of Cereal Proteins. Akademiai Kiado

    What's the deal? Are oats the overlooked wonder food or is there something that I don't know about?
     
  2. vibit

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    I already eat oats for breakfast, I didn't realize I was doing something good for a change.

    I didn't know that it had that much protein, thanks for pointing that out.

    I do love all that fiber. I enjoy the regularity...hmmm I'm so regular, you can almost set a clock to it.
     
  3. Koa

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    The amino acid breakdown in oats isn't as good as what you would find in Eggs. But, oats are definitely one of the better foods you can eat overall.. I'm not a fan of Soy tbh. There are loads of phytoestrogens in soy, which we don't know a whole lot about, may turn out to be a superior protein for women, but I personally stay away from soy because of how modified it is, and because of some odd side effects people report to have suffered in using soy as their main source of protein, to include hormonal imbalances leading to severe acne breakouts, to loss of hair. I'd say, if you have some soy in your diet you will be fine, but I wouldn't go out of my way to make it more than 10-15% of my protein intake.. Personally, I love things like Tofu, but I wouldn't supplement soy as a protein.

    The amino acid profile of soy protein is inferior to that of Eggs, Whey, or good ol' round steak, great for supplying iron with low fat.

    Anther interesting option, is Quinoa, also high in protein, acts as a grain, but the profile is more similar to that of a nut. Good ol spinach is a great source of plant based protein.

    Right now, there is a ton of pro, and anti soy propaganda out there. Just keep in mind, the people that have been using soy for thousands of years have done so in great moderation. They have NOT used soy as a meat replacement, rather as a sort of condiment. So, replacing your meats with soy protein powder is a bit drastic, and may not be healthy for you overall... If you use it, use it as a sort of compliment to meals, go ahead and use soy sauce, and mix in a LITTLE tofu with your stir fry or whatever.
     
  4. MattMattMatt

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    Thanks for the info. I had assumed that the difference would be in the ease the body can utilise the protien.

    So what is the difference between Soy protien isolate and Whey protien? Is there close to being any consensus on the pros and cons of each?
     
  5. Koa

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    It also has to do with how much the body can utilize. There are varying qualities of protein.. General rule of thumb is if it upsets your stomach, you should probably move on to a different brand or higher quality. There are some pretty extreme arguments against soy, by body building guru's who's reputations are quite solid. Also, you can get a good whey, cheaper than you can soy..

    So, weaker amino acid profile than whey.
    Less bio available
    People who are muscle freaks avoid it like the plague, due to anecdotal evidence that it can be quite bad for you.


    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/protein-types-best-for-you.htm


    http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_...erformance_nutrition/soy_is_still_bad_protein

    http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article.aspx?ID=35
     
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  7. vibit

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    That's pretty much how the developing world get their dietary protein on the cheap.

    Whole Grains + Legumes (beans) = Cheap Protein (all essential amino acids)

    It's the way to go if you ever want to save money.

    If I become broke, here's how my diet will look:
    - rice and beans for breakfast.
    - rice and beans for lunch.
    - rice and beans for dinner.
    - rice and beans for snacks in-between.
    - and lots of vegetables tossed in for good measure.
     
  8. Windigo

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    Esto se ve muy buen amigo.

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    There have been lots of instance expeiclly in Affrica
     
  9. Koa

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    I think Vegetarian diets are bull****. Everything, is right about eating meat, and if you don't enjoy it, I seriously think there is something wrong with you. If you have moral qualms, then I can understand.. But if you have moral qualms about eating meat, and don't have any about boxing, then you are pretty much lost in my book.

    Guys.. Meat is the best source of protein, healthy cuts, are HEALTHY. Not eating meat, is UNHEALTHY. Get some 1.99 chicken at cosco if you are poor, trim the fat and skin. Try tuna, and lean beef, like round cuts and sirloin.
     
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  11. vibit

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    Dude! Half a cup of oats with half a cup of beans... Doesn't sound appetizing to me!

    How about some some bacon, some ham, some fried eggs (sunny side up), some butter biscuits with sausage gravy, some blueberry pancakes with butter and syrup...

    ... Oh yea, and some oats.
     
  12. Windigo

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    The beans go with the eggs.
     
  13. MattMattMatt

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    I enjoy eating meat and I don't intend to become a complete vegetarian, I agree that I just don't think it is good for you. But my eating habits are changing and recently I have decided that I am going to cut down on meat and aim only to eat that which I can verify has been treated to a standard that I feel is acceptable. I am aware that there will be instances of double standards, but no one is free from that, I just feel that my current approach is a lot better than my old one.

    Regarding your comment on boxing, I don't see that as being a source of hypocrisy. I don't see any conflict in interest between enjoying watching consenting adults taking part in a sport and eating meat.
     
  14. Koa

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    I'll up your ante and site Quinoa in place of both beans and oats. :)

    Quinoa is a complete protein. will give you nearly half again the amount of protein you will get from beans or oats per serving. Its a seriously healthy grain/bean that not a lot of people know about, worth a look if you have the time.
     
  15. Koa

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    More directed towards people who refuse to eat things with a face. If you have a problem with the concept of eating meat, as human beings it is very close to necessary for us to eat meats in order to get complete proteins. There are essential amino's that are, for the most part limited to animals. Creatine, something that acts as a secondary fuel source for heavy activity is found mainly in animal meats, people who have a good understanding of how creatine works tend to supplement it.

    If, you have a problem with eating meats, because you have seen, for example the way pigs, turkey, chickens, and cattle are treated, raised in complexes where they probably get the most movement of their life on the way to the slaughterhouse, or perhaps you are aware of the sort of breeding and drugs they are put through, then I can understand that particular point of view. I suggest you go to a local farmers market and look for grass fed meats.

    What I am getting at, is perhaps my own stereotype of vegetarians. They don't see the human as an omnivore, or at least see eating meat as something that we should do without because it causes pain to animals. The same reasoning tends to go with these people when it comes to various forms of competition that tend to be more physical than ultimate frisbee. Where someone like myself see's things like eating flesh, and these sort of emasculated sports, as very natural to us as human beings, and part of what makes us humans, and not cows. Not supposed to be on this thread, just thought I owed you an explanation.. I admit, it is a stereotype of my own.