Obar Carr in today's welterweight division

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  1. bumdujour

    bumdujour Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yeah, he lost to pineda.............but that was when he was basically shot.

    and i dont think he ever fought chop chop corley.
     
    bumdujour, May 18, 2008
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  2. Sister Sledge

    Sister Sledge Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He lost to Bramble, even though he got the decision. Carr was a very good boxer, but he was always vulnerable. Hard guys like Cotto and Margarito would have reached him because he couldn't keep them at bay for an entire fight.
    Carr was goodl. but he was a guy who faded as the fight went on.
    Quartey was not elite in my book. He could have been, but his stamina let him down on more than one occasion. He's been knocked down by Carr, ODLH and Jose Luis Lopez, and was lucky to survive against Oscar and Lopez
    ODLH, Tito and Mosely are elite, but they all could be beaten.
    There are great fighter who would have done well against the 90's guys.
    Margarito and Cotto would have given Tito hell. A guy like Williams would have given Mosely serious trouble. PBF is Oscars' kryptonite. Zab and Carr are in the same position as trialhorses.
    When it is all said and done. This decade may be even better than the 90's in the case of WW talent.
     
    Sister Sledge, May 18, 2008
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  3. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The Mosley of 2000 is clearly better than the Mosley of 2008. That he was able to all but match Cotto tells me that 8 years ago he would have taken him to the woodshed.

    Cotto isn't great, Margarito isn't even excellent and PBF is not a great welterweight imo.

    I'm with bumdujour here: Tito, DLH and Quartey would likely mop the current welterweight crop.
     
    sweet_scientist, May 19, 2008
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  4. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Do you have a scorecard for the fight? I haven't seen it myself, but you have me intrigued, I might venture to see it.

    Well, he went twelve with Quartey, who is more monstrous than Cotto and has much better skills than the slow, plodding Margarito. Cotto and Margarito don't hit hard lke Tito imo, so I'd back Carr to take anything they dish out. DLH stopped him late, but he had already lost a step by that time imo.

    Quartey's stamina probably stopped him from being great, but those were decent fighters he was fighting. You say he's not elite and then you turn around and say that someone like Margarito is? What has Margarito ever done that's as good as arguably beating DLH? Heck, what has he ever done that's as good as beating Jose Luis Lopez or Oba Carr? Heck again, make that Crisanto Espana or Vince Phillips?

    Cotto would have been Ko'ed in under 6 rounds from Tito imo. Margarito would last a bit longer because of his granite chin, but would basically take a Lamottian beating from Tito.

    Mosley had his vulnerabilities, but if he could stay competitive with a jabber like Wright, I think he'd walk right through all off Paul Williams' slaps and rough him up big time on the inside.

    PBF nearly lost to a past his best DLH. A prime one beats PBF comfortably as far as I'm concerned.

    Unless Zab stops Carr early I see him getting worked myself.


    Surely you can't be serious? :-(
     
    sweet_scientist, May 19, 2008
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  5. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't want to talk too much **** about the current welterweight scene because I am really enjoying it. But I do think if young Tito, Oscar, and Ike were to enter the division they'd clean it out and fight themselves for supremacy. They were just that much better. Ike alone would do it. Therefore, yes, Oba Carr would be a force to be reckoned with in today's scene.
     
    eliqueiros, May 19, 2008
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  6. Sister Sledge

    Sister Sledge Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Like I said, when everything is all said and done, we will see. I'm not going to answer all of your questions, but I never said Margarito or Cotto was elite. I said they were great fighters. The only elite fighter in the division is PBF.
    When Oscar and Ike and Tito were fighting each other, skeptics always pointed out that they weren't ask good as so-and-so. It's something that will always be debated, so I won't comment on it. Mosely was supposed to be such a great fighter, and he lost badly to Forrest, in his prime, I might add. Forrest was unheralded at the time and underrated now.
    Carr was always a first rate gatekeeper. No more. He would have found a was to lose to every current champion, with the exception of Quintana.
     
    Sister Sledge, May 19, 2008
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  7. Sister Sledge

    Sister Sledge Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    See if you can find Carr's fight with Bramble and tell me he won. Bramble beat his ass and battered him all over the ring.
     
    Sister Sledge, May 19, 2008
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  8. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    He loses against Mayweather Jr, Mosley and Cotto. He'd have a good chance at beating all the rest on the list, though.
     
    Holmes' Jab, May 19, 2008
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