Objectively reviewing Lesnars fights in the UFC

I agree with you completely.

 

Let's look at this really objectively. If a guy came along and got subbed by Mir in his first fight - but then went on to manhandle a top ten/top five heavyweight like Herring, then KO Couture and then pound Mir into hamburger - we would proclaim that guy the Next Big Thing in MMA. Brock hasn't had enough time to be considered anywhere near dominant - he needs to defend his belt for a while before such things can be considered. However - he is a beast and a force to be reckoned with in the heavyweight division and until someone comes along to knock him off his throne - he is the number one heavyweight in the UFC.

 

I'll put up my avatar for a month for this fight.

 

That is spot on.

He can't be dominant because there hasn't been enough time to defend his belt enough times to make that claim.

Lyoto Machida is not a dominant champion either; but he is clearly the best LHW in the UFC.

Lyoto has more wins, but their wins against absolute top of the food chain guys are about equal.

 

Who is a great grappler if Mir isn't? Who is a better grappler at HW, in MMA? How many of them are half the overall fighter Mir is?

Fedor, yes.

Nog? Quite possibly; he took a **** ton of damage through his guard as well, the difference is his chin is solid.

That is one, possibly two; and his offensive guard is better than either of them; he just happens to have been KO'd on the ground twice.

His loss to Ian Freeman was over 8 years ago.

Pe De Pano is a world champion; a lot of people say that, but he is as geniune as they ****ing come. 5 time Mundial champ, beaten every good HW grappler there is on the planet.

Getting outgrappled by Cruz during your first fight after having his leg turned to dust is pretty ****ing reasonable.

You are not objetive at all, you are so unreasonable you sound like you have never watched a fight in your life.

 

I always foget about "The Machine"... Mir must be one of his best wins, and the guy isn't a natural HW.

 

Objectively reviewing Lesnar...hmm The man is good....wait! hes the Champ!

 

Looked beatable? I haven't really seen that. So he had a tough fight against a legend. I really don't see how people can keep pushing that. It was his 4th fight. 3 of his 5 fights have been verse champs. What he is achieving is just silly no matter what sport.

 

Mir can't defend himself from guard?!

Come on, Mir has a hell of alot more experience at defending himself from the guard then Lesnar did breaking his guard.

I find it completely ridiculous to try and downplay Lesnar.

EVEN if Carwin lays him out in 14 seconds ala Kimbo, it won't take away from what he has achieved.

 

The Lesnar hype is similar to the Arlovski hype. At the moment all Lesner is, is hype.

He beat old man Randy.... great achievement but Randy is far from his peak.
He is 1-1 against Mir, one of the most inconsistent fighters in MMA.
He won a good decision against Herring.

Now the UFC marketing machine work on people with the big gloves and etc etc and people buy it.

 

I don't think you can hype what Lesnar did.

Randy was the champ. Brock battered Mir twice minus one submission. Mir then beat Nog. Brock then dominated a good contender in Herring. All inside 5 fights. It's madness.

It's like getting a youth football team and then asking them to face the likes of Everton and Man Utd.

No matter what sport I think his achievements are astounding.

I'm really suprised people are disagreeing. I have a feeling that it's hate against the hype.

Much like Khan didn't get respect when he did something.

 

Bobb Sapp, Tim Sylvia, Arlovski and a whole lot of other fighters have been in the exact same position as Lesnar in a few years time when he looses a few fights no one will remember him.

 

Also the key is longevity. He has been a pro for what 2 years in which he has fought 4 different opponents in 5 fights.

His rise to the top is incredible but if we look back at Boxing.......Tyson was the heavyweight champion in 21 months as a pro in a far deeper and historical combat sport which makes that achievement even more outstanding. So its not out of this world.

Once brock has had lets says 15 to 20 fights then we can start to get an idea for his real strengths and weakness, also how he deals with adversity which is a big thing in combat sports as a bad loss or two can lay severe doubt in your mind.

He also needs to have taken on a far more varied style of opponent.....M. S. Kim and H. Herring are average heavyweights in the history of MMA and have taken far more serious beatings than they did at the hands of Brock.

Couture and Mir are good wins but T. Slyvia holds a good win over an inform Arlovski.

We need a greater amount of time to judge......in fact i would not be surprised to see brock knocked out come fight night with Carwin.

 

Look at Lesnars Compitition, They have all been past prime fighters! I'm not at all impressed with Lesnar. All I've seen from him is tremendous strength.