Objectively, the two reasons why Pac must rank higher than Floyd in ATG terms...

The difference is that Floyd did not beat Marquez at his best weight division.
Pac did. Period.

 

Pac's weight class record is kind of B.S. because he was a big fighter in almost every weight class he fought int until 147. He'd been rehydrating to WW for years before he got there.

 

And again, you prove to all you have no clue about this sport. You are compparing Pac vs. JMM, where both guys were the same weight, to Floyd vs. JMM, where it was a WW vs. a LW. PLus an extra twp pounds. :shock:

Do you really not get it? Does it go over your head or something? You're confused over something pretty ****in obivous. And that's not a surprise. atsch

 

I'll give you number 1. But Diaz being the weakest belt holder at Lightweight, considering that the welterweight championship (Cotto) was a paper championship at a catchweight (and Mosley was old and only had his belt because Floyd didn't want to pay sanctioning fees), and especially the joke of a fight against a cheater that shouldn't have even been allowed to box at yet another catchweight make reason 2 mean jack and **** in my opinion.

 

I don't recall Pacquiao beating Marquez.

I do recall Pacquiao getting two gifts in the Marquez fights.

 

because those guys at 168 walk into the ring as light heavies or higher, the fact is the size difference between marquez and floyd is not far enough off of marquez and pacquiao that one win can be considered one of a fighters best, and another gets tossed to side as though it means absolutely nothing

 

floyd ranks higher cause he is clearly the better fighter H2H. pac is just popular, hypejob, fighting mayweather leftovers or drained fighters

 

Are you a black American?

 

"I don't recall..." atsch

What a sad **** you are....

 

I don't know if it doesn't mean "nothing".

But it certainly should have an asterisk based on the fact he was moving up not one, but two full weight divisions.

 

Just to address the highlighted point, Cotto was indeed a "paper champ" because he did attain the WBO vacated title by defeating a fighter whom many regarded as an obscure and undeserving opponent in Michael Jennings. However, in his very next fight, Cotto defended his title in what initially looked to be a unification match against the IBF champ Joshua Clottey (who, for whatever ridiculous political reasons, was stripped/vacated his belt to face Cotto. The point is, Miguel did defeat a champion (whether officially recognized or not by a sanctioning body) prior to facing Pacquiao; thus legitimizing Pac's recognition as WW champ, at least imho.

 

I can agree though I think his JMW title is BS.

I think Mayweather should get more credit then he does though when certain people look at his ATG status. For things like constantly fighting bigger guys then him almost his whole career rather then cutting weight to fight smaller guys(He has defeated and took the belts of 3 champs with a 14-18pd advantage over him). As well defeating many different styles and physical traits over his career. They say styles make fights. Yet a fighter who defeats many different styles and physical traits over his career doesn't seem to hold much weight in his ATG status which I don't know why. When a lot of boxing and competition has to do with styles. His win over DLH should be held in a higher regard as well. He could have made weight for Jr WW but fought at JMW and took the belt of a top 3 JMW.

If Mayweather, Morales, Barrera, Pac, Marquez were all at 130 Mayweather could defeat all of them he just never got his chance to as they all stayed at a lower weight. I say this because he is more complete then all of them. He can match Morales, Barrera & Marquez in boxing ability and technique, but eclipses all of them because of his athletic ability, speed and reach. He matches up with Pac on the athletic ability and hand speed but eclipses Pac in boxing ability and technique. Morales, Barrera, Marquez couldn't match up with Pac's athleticism. Marquez did a great job with angles and footwork but he isn't an atheltic guy like May and Pac. Even if he were to lose to 1 or 2. He Its not like he would lose to every single one of them he would get plenty of wins over them. Giving him ATG on his resume.

Pac gets the edge because he did it. But I don't think Mayweather wouldn't have been able to do it either. People say Pac didn't fight any black slick style boxer because there were none available in his weight range. Well there were no prime ATGs available for Mayweather to fight either. Mosley didn't want the fight and moved up to WW when Mayweather challenged him and he was the only realistic option.

 

I think the second point you made is a bit of a simplistic view:

Floyd has been the best sfw, lw and ww in the world (noone ranked him about zoo nor winky)

Pac has been the best at flw, fw, sfw, lww and ww (noone ranked him above campbell and he was never really a lmw)

So I do agree but for slightly different reasons.

 

WTF are you talking about?

Real welterweights walk into the ring @ 160+.

Floyd's fighting weight is 150lbs. I'd bet there are a few lightweights that walk into the ring heavier than Floyd.

Stop with the BS.

Floyd's weight advantage over Marquez wasn't too significant...

 

like it or not thats besides the point. all that matters is what goes on in the ring, and the fact is floyd and pacquiao fought a very similar version of marquez and floyd and pac were about the same size in the ring

floyd had a few pounds on manny, and marquez was a little older, but i think the value people tend to put on both victories is way to far apart, they were both excellent performances and excellent wins, with pacs being a little better, but not by much