Objectively, the two reasons why Pac must rank higher than Floyd in ATG terms...

Floyd beat Castillo twice, Corrales, and an ndefeated Hatton.

 

WRONG.

Clottey was a paper champ too and you're ignoring that fact that Margarito has already beaten Cotto before Pacquiao.

Context.

 

I accept your surrender...

 

Tbh, I have never considered it particularly close between the two in terms of their ATG ranking - what Pac has achieved is a couple of notches above what Floyd has (though I had Marquez winning the fight in 2008 ). The only thing I ever thought worth discussing was the H2H matchup as, at various times (not currently), I believed Mayweather woud win a fight between the two.

 

Clottey won a vacant belt vs Judah
Cotto won a vacant belt vs Quintana
Margarito won a vacant belt vs Antonio Diaz

Notice the Theme.

 

1. Firstly... I DO agree that Pac ranks over Floyd as things stand, not by a great deal but he does rank ahead.
2. I just don`t agree with some of your reasoning, here are some small things...

Marquez v Pac 2008 was a Marquez victory in my & most peoples eyes & that was (along with Barrera 2003) was a major point scorer for you having Pac over Floyd....

DLH never beat Sturm in the view of any sane non-biased person & was battered by B-Hop in his attempt for his 6th title so he is on 5 weight classes, Leonard is on 4 IMO, you cannot win both the SMW & LHW titles at the SMW limit whether you TKO the LHW champion or not, this is probably irrelevant but just thought I`d give my views on the `wrongness` of those feats by SRL & DLH....

There is some dispute as to how many weights Pac actually won titles in, FW were he only won the ring title & LMW were he & his opponent were not allowed to weight in over 150 lbs....

The Mayweather-Marquez fight WAS NOT meaningless just because JMM came in 2 weights above were he was at previously, especially considering FMJs lay-off & the fact he never bullied JMM, he beat him at his own game by outboxing him & proving a far superior technical boxer... something no other fighter has ever been able to do to Marquez.....

I can`t fault anything else you said & your right, only a victory over Pac or possibly Martinez can enable Floyd to overtake Pac as the greatest since Whitaker.

:good

 

Surrender of WHAT ******?

 

His resume is much better, his weight-jumping feats more impressive. That's all there is to it.

 

what? I thought they weighed about the same?

 

I find your argument fair and fine, if the two fighters never fight each other.

If they do, then I'd have to say that Floyd surpasses him despite these accomplishments because although 7 divisions is a great feat and his dominant wins and victories thus far are superb, wouldn't you then say that someone capable of beating this guy is BETTER?

I think at this point...if Floyd were to beat Pac @ 147 and Martinez @ 154, there truly is nothing left for him...he can kick in the winner of Cotto/Margarito for shitzngiggles, but those two wins would put him a nice marker above Pac IMFairO

 

Nay_Sayer is being owned big time here and the sad part is his intelligence won't even allow him to understand that.

BTT, bottom line is, the way he jumped weights and demolished top caliber opposition while doing it (with the exception of Diaz maybe, but he still is no bum) is second to none.
8 divisions and 4 lineal champs, couple that with fighter of the year awards and f*cking fighter of the decade, add all those HoF-ers under his resume and you got yourself a legend.
Floyd's feat can be duplicated in the next 5 years, hell there are lots of fighters now without a loss, but what Pac has done will probably never be replicated again.

Sad part about Floyd is he could've done better, but that's all there is to it.
Floyd is reduced to a fantasy matchup king. What a waste of talent.

 

If Mayweather fought Moralez, Barrera, Marquez, Pac when they were all at the lower weights he would have ATG wins on his resume. Maybe he would have a loss or 2 maybe he wouldn't but he would have 4 ATG wins on his resume.

If you don't think he would beat any of those guys then there is nothing left to say.

 

One guy's an 8-division world champion and the other's a 5-division champion. 'Tis mathematics.