Objectively, the two reasons why Pac must rank higher than Floyd in ATG terms...

You really gotta stop pointing out double standards! It's not a liked trait on ESB... :-(

 

I wasn't trying to change anything just add more detail to it. Your post was excellent.

 

This was great point....

 

You miss the part where Floyd fought two elimionators to GET to Gatti. Kinda tells you which wheels were in motion.

 

That's because Gatti was the only realistic option. Gatti was also ring magazine #2 behind Tzyu before Hatton took out Tzyu. Mayweather vs Tzyu was not going to happen due to the different networks. Mayweather wasn't big time enough yet for that not to matter. He didn't even have a PPV yet until Gatti. Don't know if Hatton was interested in Mayweather at that time but he damn sure didn't challenge him and it wasn't until he defeated Tzyu that he became an intriguing fight for Mayweather. After Mayweather defeated Gatti, Hatton's camp claimed they weren't ready for Mayweather. Cotto didn't want the fight as he was to green.

In short when Mayweather moved up to Jr WW.
Tzyu - showtime
Gatti - most realistic, #2 ring magazine
Hatton - not ready or willing yet
Cotto - not ready or willing yet.
Vivian Harris - not sure why they didn't fight.
Sharmba Mitchell -
Corley - defeated
N'dou - defeated

 

Is all this necessary or pertinent, to what you originally said? Floyd fought Corley in May of 04, Bruselles in Jan 05. Then Gatti June of 05. that's essentially a year before Hatton fought Tszyu (June 05). Floyd was on a path to Gatti a year before Hatton even fought Tszyu.

Over that entire time, Floyd was the mando to Vivian Harris. Would he have beaten Harris? Most likely, but he chose as easier path with Gatti and the two eliminators. Harris was a realistic option too you know, as he was highly rated at 140, and at the time, seen as avoided.

Hatton's camp also said they wanted to make Hatton's name larger in the US before fighting Mayweather.

 

Look at it this way:

Floyd - 42 and 0
Pac - 53 and 3, 2 draws

Mayweather would need to fight 11 more times without incurring 3 losses and 2 draws in order for him to equal Pac's record.

 

You like to use the ring magazine for Margo but you don't accept Gatti's ring magazine status. Then there is the fact that Gatti held the WBC the belt that Mayweather recognizes the most. Then there is the fact that Gatti offered Mayweather his first PPV. Plus there is no possible way of predicting Hatton climbing to the top for him to have to wait for him. Mayweather probably didn't even know who he was until he defeated Tzyu. Hatton showed no interest in fighting Mayweather at that time why is that ignored as well. How could Mayweather be Harris mandatory when he just moved up in weight and didn't hold a belt. Mayweather fought title eliminators for the WBC so other fighters fighting for the WBC would be his mandos for the WBC belt. And you would be assuming a lot if you are looking to assume that Mayweather choose Gatti strictly because he thought he was worse then Harris.

 

We can all make subjective assessments on who should be rated higher ATG based on quality and style of opposition and fantasy match-ups, but in the final analysis, Pac and Floyd will both be judged according to their actual achievements.

 

Is Castillo a future HOF'er? I'm asking because I really don't know.

 

Whatr are you talking about? No where did I mention Gatti's ranking as not being legit.

When you start off with **** like this, makes me wonder why I should bother replying, when you, like many other floyd defenders, do NOT seem to read what someone fully says. I really have no idea how you came to that conclusion.

This is all....really nothing. Mayweather didn't know who hatton was? :huh You really believe that?

As for Floyd being the mandatory, it happens when guys move up in weight from time to time, being the champ in the division below. But that doesn't matter, because Floyd was next in line. And that's not something debateable.

I would be assuming a lot if I was assuming he chose Gatti over Harris because Gatti was safer? WTF?!? That's your assumption since i didn't say that.

 

Can't read through the whole thread...


#1 - Losses matter.

#2 - WHEN they fought the fighters matters

#3 - YOU can't be objective, and your first post proves it.

#4 - Just because you can't be objective doesn't necessarily make you wrong. I think you may be right, but it's not as clear cut as you're making it seem. What Pac has done is absolutely amazing whether anyone wants to admit it or not. But he hasn't always been as dominant, and some of his wins are easily prime examples of cherrypicking that Floyd is always accused of.

I would currently rate him very slightly higher, but that could change in a fight or two based on what happens next.

 

This is ****ing ******ed! atsch


You have glass logic.

 

Brilliant huh? :nut

 

How come ppl on here forget jmarquez was way smaller than floyd and floyd had to pay marquez penalties for coming in over weight and not even trying to make weigh against a smaller man moving up in weight for the 1st time in career jumping 2 divisions