Observations you’ve made about certain greats that you kept to yourself.

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  1. Bujia

    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I’ll start with an easy one, as he’s a guy I’m known to pick on even though I love him: Salvador Sanchez. For someone whose technique is so highly regarded, he really didn’t throw many punches properly. Except for his vaunted right hand, he rarely turned them over all the way by the time they were fully extended. No more than half the time, if that. As a result, they could look pretty awkward whether they found the target or not. Almost like slapping shots, even though he put good leverage into them and was clearly a strong puncher.

    Not even a flaw so much as an idiosyncrasy. An aesthetic oddity in a fighter widely seen as a picture boxer.

    Anyone else see it? Or better yet, have their own observations to share?
     
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  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Yeah, I can definitely see that.

    That Wilfredo Gomez's lateral movement (particularly against Yum) often looks exaggerated and inefficient. Some times it looks ****in spectacular, but others it looks down right ugly. Never seen anyone mention it.

    Jack Dempsey's form is absolutely abysmal. I don't care what those who want to gloss up the old guys say, it's wild and sloppy. His head-movement is good, but his punching form is pretty damn ****. But it's understandable, he didn't exactly grew up in a gym.
     
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  3. George forearm

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    Iv always taught Harold Johnson looked a bit stiff at times
     
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  4. HolDat

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    Makes sense, considering he fought in a lot of street fights for $$$.
     
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  5. Bujia

    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He did it a lot, especially early in fights. That was his feeling out process where he’d gauge the reaction of his opponents, often throwing very little. Even in his biggest fight (to that point) against Zarate.

    He was too overzealous against Yum, with it being his first title fight. He wasn’t doing much gauging or taking his time before trying to overwhelm him with his offensive firepower. He was trying to take the title as emphatically as possible. That’s why he got cracked with hard counters multiple times in those early rounds, including being sat on his ass in the first.

    Tore him apart piece by piece after the third round, though.
     
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  6. HolDat

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    One of my favorite boxers..... I'll have to watch him again to investigate lol
     
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  7. McGrain

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    He's trying to produce that pure technician deployment (at range) with that short reach. The tension is palpable.
     
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  8. Bujia

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    I’d have a much harder task trying to find the times where he didn’t look stiff.
     
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  9. salsanchezfan

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    See for me, it was his right that looked a little goofy. I remember writing here that he seemed to use the elbow almost as a fulcrum, like a baseball pitcher.
     
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  10. HolDat

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    I think George Foreman may've had the best HW jab in history......

    He underutilized it though.
     
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  11. Bujia

    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah, when thrown as a straight right. I guess I was just looking at the overhand/counter right that were maybe his best punches.
     
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  12. George Crowcroft

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    I've never told anyone this, but I firmly believe it. Gerry Penalosa at 115 is about as hard a fighter stop as you'll ever get. A granite chin, which can take bombs from Juanma, PDL and Jhonny Gonzalez, along with an incredible defence and excellent footwork.

    I just can't see anybody full stop even coming close to stopping him. Not Nana, not Moon, not Khaosai, nor Inoue.
     
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  13. Devon

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    Muhammad Ali’s defence is overrated, not saying it’s bad, I still think he has one of the best defences of all times, but some people seem to think that he was very rarely hit in his fights, but he was often caught backing up and when he was coming up from using head movement
     
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  14. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Holyfield has fast hands, I honestly don’t see how some people don’t see this
     
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  15. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Larry Holmes did not have the best technical jab ever even at heavyweight, it might have been the best when it landed, but he struggled to land his jab on Carl Williams and Gerry Cooney, he failed to outjab taller opponents which is something that other fighters can do, he had his jab taken away from him against a past it Norton and Spinks
     
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