Observations you’ve made about certain greats that you kept to yourself.

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Yes, just watched part of a Gomez fight on youtube and he moved too much with his rear heel off the floor, made his weight transitions a bit clumsy, he had quick head movement though along with his foot movement and held his right glove up ready to parry as he slipped shots.
     
  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    He was a quick combo and counter puncher but other heavies were quicker.
     
  3. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Usyk has a better jab but with far less power.
     
  4. Bujia

    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Who said Holyfield had slow hands?
     
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  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Love Sanchez, one of my absolute favourites, but wouldn't use him as a textbook example for anyone starting to box. He had a looseness and even awkwardness to him that worked because of his natural ability, but I wouldn't recommend anyone starting out to hold their chin that high and hands that low. He had his own very special rhythm and his punches look slightly out of sync, a bit disjointed almost, but for him it just came together.
     
  6. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    Tyson's lack of an inside game
    Marciano had underrated hand speed & footwork (in his prime)
     
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  7. HolDat

    HolDat Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Love Gerry as a fighter but he always fought at the same gear.
     
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  8. HolDat

    HolDat Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes, Tyson was awful on the inside.
     
  9. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Salvador Sanchez was not a typical Mexican plodder type fighter. He boxed like an American fighter with lateral movement. quick combinations, sturdy jaw, and a good right hand.
     
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  10. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Not boastful but very confident, great fighter.
     
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  11. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree with what was said about Dempsey. Might have been a revelation for his time, but... Even more so for Johnson.

    But I'm going to make it worse. While I love Louis's mechanics and balance, I think his combinations were quite slow compared to Ali's, Tyson's, Holmes's and Holy's for example. I'm also not crazy about how SRR didn't really extend his jabs or how far down he "picked up" his hooks - too telegraphed in that sense. I think they would be punished for that by later fighters.
     
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  12. Bujia

    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I’ve heard Ike Williams compared to a Lightweight Robinson. Don’t see it. Joe Louis without the same KO power, maybe. I think he might be closer to Dick Tiger than he is to Ray Robinson, actually. Not that I’d directly compare the two, either. The similarities are there, though.

    Both were good left hand oriented boxers. They boxed with a measured pace and rigid stance that could see them outpointed by the slick out boxer types. At the same time, they were known to be hell for the more aggressive types that brought the fight to them. This is despite the fact that neither proved to have dynamic one punch power.
     
  13. Shrollleftupper

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    Robinson too often didn't pivot his feet when throwing punches, including power punches.

    Robinson's defense was meh to crap against pressure fighters (Lamotta, Basilio, Fullmer (except for that KO), Graziano, etc.) but actually good against more boxer-type fighters, such as Turpin (rematch).

    Roy Jones, Jr. was hittable even in his prime.

    Monzon would have gotten tooled by too many fighters close to or above his height because his style was geared almost entirely towards fighting much shorter men.
     
  14. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Boxing is not figure skating. Form does not equal results. There is a correlation but not as much causation as some think.
     
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  15. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I dont see this as surprising. Even in his time Ali was criticized for his lack of fundamentals particularly for his propensity to pull straight back from punches. He ruined the generation after him because everyone wanted to fight like Ali and very few had his natural reflexes. Its why he got hit so much later in his career. His footwork was excellent but his upper body movement was only good not great and he paid the price for it later. In a way its unfortunate (for him) that his chin was so good. Had he gotten knocked out he might not have been subjected to the prolonged beatings (and career) that ultimately gave him Parkinsons Syndrome.
     
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