ODH Changes that beats Floyd

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  1. 4Rounder

    4Rounder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jab, Jab, Jab.

    Train at high altitude away from family to get stamina and in full fighting mode.

    Overhand right hand ready to fire.
     
  2. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Yeah man alot of times he's missing them shits and if he's landing its nothing powerful or effective ... those are amateur tactics ... he's making an attempt to rack up points but the differents in the pros is the punches landed and the effect they had ...

    Throughout his career - I think he was grossly overrated - one handed fighter w/ limited skills ... fast hands and a great chin.

    He's also a front runner but never more evident than now !!
     
  3. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    You must forgot that he was getting hit waay too much against PBF ... he has to tighten up that defense and quite fighting so damn stiff !!

    His right hand has no power and he doesn't follow through with it ... he can't even lead with it without keeping his left hand straight to aim w/ ... he's leaving himself open for too many counters.

    With the right hands he landed on Floyd he shouldve hurt him or atleast got a knockdown or something ... Floyd wasn't even bothered by any of his shots.
     
  4. Thread Stealer

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    De La Hoya has/had good skills. He DOES have good combinations despite his tendency to throw bull**** flurries that miss and excite the crowd. His jab had always been top notch. His defense was solid, he could parry and block well, as he did in the Mayweather fight. He's a good bodypuncher and finisher. He mixed body and head shots well. His right hand has always been inconsistent though, like his stamina has been inconsistent.

    He didn't win or fight competitively with all of his opponents from Hernandez to Quartey to Tito to Mosley to Mayweather by having limited skills.
     
  5. fitzgeraldz

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    Yeah ... but Oscar didn't have a right hand ... Quartey hasn't done anything since fighting DLH ... Hernandez retired a fight after his loss to Oscar ... Mosley's only notable win was against Oscar and two of his 3 championships came from Oscar ... Mayweather and Tito both beat him and were a cut above - having acheived greater success and longer winning streaks.
     
  6. Thread Stealer

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    Hernandez fought for another 3 years and won a title, before losing to Mayweather.

    Hernandez's 2 career losses were to DLH and PBF, DLH @ 135 and PBF @ 130.
     
  7. YOUNG*LORD

    YOUNG*LORD Carlosv1968 is your daddy Full Member

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    Have Miguel Cotto substitute for him.
     
  8. errsta

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    #1 Get Younger
     
  9. Hugh Jerrod

    Hugh Jerrod Chief boot knocker Full Member

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    Have Tanya Harding take out Floyds knees.
     
  10. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    If Mayweather were an offensive minded fighter this would be a lot easier but he isn't. He shells up and waits for counter opportunities. That will ultimately expose DLH's diminished speed, stamina and reflexes.

    In my opinion DLH has to make this a physical fight. He is the bigger, more powerful fighter here. He has to utilize as much forward motion as possible and limit whatever he does at range. Contrary to the idea of using the jab I think he has to close distance fast and use his upper body weight to push on Mayweather. He has to force Mayweather into the shoulder roll and come up with hard left hooks to his chest.

    Mayweather will be forced into a similar role with the Hatton fight where he'll have to extend his elbows into DLH's neck to keep him off. DLH is longer than Hatton though so even with the pushing and shoving DLH's free hand should be able to reach Mayweather. And with the action so push and shove like, it makes the range safety more difficult to gauge for the boxer.

    Plus being so much closer it'll take less energy to throw those punches for DLH.

    It takes a lot to be able to stand inside with Mayweather and beat him at that game. But it's possible. I just don't know if DLH has the stamina to really follow through with it. I do think it's his best hope though.
     
  11. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    I think he has to take the viewpoint that over a long enough time period, he is going to get figured out and he will tire more than Floyd, so he needs to look to sweep the first 7 rounds.

    To do this, he needs to come out strong, perhaps a little more warmed up than usual, look to pressure Floyd from the outside and use his reach advantage.

    When he got too close to Floyd, Floyd was able to use his beautiful box fighting techniques to limit the damage, it was when Oscar was coming from the jab, getting Floyd going straight backwards and then coming in with a flurry that he was exciting the crowd and putting pressure on the judges.

    The key to victory for him is starting fast before Floyd adapts, firing that jab as much as possible and utilising his height, reach and power advantages over Floyd.

    He still rates as one of the faster fighters Floyd has faced and if he takes a blueprint from the Castillo fight and his first fight, you should see him capable of challenging Floyd.

    On the other hand, if someone like me can think of this being a strategy for Floyd, Floyd himself will probably see it and be ready.-
     
  12. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Mayweather is not even 50% of what he was at his best.
    The fact that he only want's the big money fight proves it.
    even he know's his time is NOW!.
    (Hatton was a safe fight, he had no chance)

    Not saying a 36 year De La Hoya can do it..
    but if your God couldn't even make a 35 year old "shot" fighter blink
    with his punches what makes you think he will do it a year later?

    Mayweather is a good fighter, but he is extremely over rated.
     
  13. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    I'd say the two shots that had De La Hoya's knees go wobbly beneath him were a little bit more than blink.

    You have to remember, Hatton was themed as a tough fight for Floyd, hindsight is twenty-twenty (although I'll be honest and say I didn't see Hatton with a chance in that fight)

    You also have to remember short of Castillo (who he rematched and beat silly) - Floyd gave Oscar his closest ever fight. Why is it so wrong for him taking this fight again, considering the money he makes?

    Never begrudge a fighter for making money. The often used expression is "If your boss told you to do a job twice as hard for half the money, what would you say?"
     
  14. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    No doubt you make great point's..
    I'm refering to those who only see the First Mayweather/De La Hoya Fight as a blowout!!!
    they make it seem like PBF blew him outta the water. (or so they act)
    when in actuality it was a very close fight which could have went either way,
    and PBF just got away with a win by the skin of his teeth. (IMO)
    against a "Shot" fighter as they say.

    but the truth is PBF is also a year older now, and prob that much much easier to hit.
    I don't expect the same PBF to be in the fight that night.
     
  15. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    I had Oscar ahead 4-2 at Round 6 and then struggled to find a round to give him afterwards, the fight was very close and really tested Floyd, I think for as much as anything else, the fact that he was fighting 154 against a guy who had fought at 160.

    It's hard to really criticise Floyd for his policy at 147, remembering that he's a guy who started at 130 and wasn't neccessarily a huge 130.

    He's a very small 147lber when you compare him to the Williams, Margaritos and co.

    I think just like any other undefeated fighter, people want to see him lose and come back from adversity, many times, that's how we view our true champs.