ODLH: GGG-Canelo Rematch Talks To Resume AFTER Saunders-Lemieux (GBP Preparing To Duck GGG Rematch?)

You are so gross and redundant. Go invent something.

 

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JMM was willing to fight Pacquiao in any division. He chased Pacquiao around for years. GTFO with your bull****, at least be an honest fanboy.

You're boring and lame. You're best trolling days are behind you. You should retire this alt and use one of your lesser known alts.

 

Its more relatable to the Andy Lee vs Peter Quilin draw. Lee and Canelo landed the more varied punches while Peter and GGG threw the same punch all night.
If GGG outworked and out landed Canelo you would've have seen the effects , but you saw Canelo leave the ring as fresh as he entered the ring. The fight was a deserved draw. Neither guy looked any better than the other and thats a compliant to Canelo seeing as he was the smaller guy moving up.

 

I take a couple days off from the forum and check back to find you saying the same stuff you've been saying for weeks now. Doesn't it get repetitive to keep saying the same thing over and over again?

Your Holyfield Lennox analogy is cringeworthy man, the only thing that the two fights have in common is that the result was a draw. I know you can do better than that. I know you're capable of making more intelligent arguments than to say it was just like Lennox Lewis Holyfield.

After all the debates about the fight we've had and the progress we have made on agreeing about aspects of the fight, can you please show some respect for the sport and some respect to the performance Alvarez put in than to act like your guy won because you thought he won? This isn't a popularity contest, I don't care if it seems like the vast majority of fans thought G won. That doesn't change the verdict.

And just to show how much more outrageous the Lennox vs Holyfield draw was than the Canelo G draw, look at Lampley's reaction to it after the fight : read the post fight statements from various fighters and boxing personalities. Many people stated emphatically that Lewis won, because it was obviously so much clearer of a win for Lewis than G over Canelo.

Lampley or the HBO team wasn't as visibly distraught over the Canelo G verdict as they were with Lewis Holyfield. And it's not even close. At the end of Canelo G, nobody had any clue who won. The only people screaming robbery at Canelo G are G fanboys, nearly everybody polled and interviewed recognized that it was a close fight. It wasn't like Lewis Holyfield where everybody pretty much expected Lewis to win the decision, and the draw was such a shocker. Nobody was shocked at Canelo G being a draw, the only thing people were shocked about was the 118-110, because of course they saw it as a very close fight that could go either way! The biggest proof that the draw wasn't as outrageous as Lewis Holyfield is the reasoning given as to why the 118-110 wasn't right, precisely because people saw it as a close-could-go-either-way-type-of-fight. (which is what people said when they voiced their outrage over the 118-110)

You're visualizing parallels between these fights that simply aren't there. You want so badly for Canelo G to be seen as a robbery to the extent that Lewis Holyfield was. You're trying to convince people that Holyfield did as well vs Lewis as Canelo did vs G and that's laughable. Holyfield didn't land a punch for the first 2 minutes of the first round, whereas Canelo was in full control of things from the opening bell. Lewis was peppering Holyfield was jabs in the first round, Holyfield was under seige from the opening bell. Gennady didn't come out of the gates pepping Canelo with jabs like Lewis did on Holyfield. Holyfield didn't have the upper body elusiveness as Canelo. Holyfield didn't have the speed advantage Canelo had which was on full display! Come on already, even the people who think G won won't go as far as to make this analogy because they see how ridiculous it is lmao.

 

Lee/Quilin was actually a close fight. The two Knockdowns Quilin scored made it closer than it probably should have been but Peter did just enough to make it close enough to justify a draw. For the most part no one was up in arms over the verdict. A pretty even split from fans who either had it for Lee or Quilin unlike the overwhelming number of people who had GGG and Lewis winning their fights against Alvarez & Holyfield respectively.

Golovkin typically uses a wide variety of punches but with Alvarez he had to rely heavily on the jab simply because Canelo was back peddling so much. Golovkin had to do more chasing than he was use to and expected. There's no doubt GGG outworked and out landed Canelo. The effects of his punches weren't as impactful based on Alvarez not committing to standing his ground more than his commitment to mitigate risk by going backwards.

Canelo nor GGG took much punishment in that fight. Just some bumps and bruises...no cuts or blood. However, Nelo was far more gassed at the end of 12 than GGG was. With as much road work he put in that night it's understandable but he would have benefited more by throwing more punches vs choosing to back peddle as much as he did. Golovkin seemed in much better condition at the end of 12 than Nelo, even with throwing 200 more punches.

 

B.. Bu.. But he already did doe!!

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Then why was G breathing heavier in the corner between rounds, particularly in the latter half of the bout? Why was G constantly bending over in between rounds hocking loogies? Why was G's face redder than Canelo's?

Ask yourself what tires you out more : throwing more punches or using more footwork (backpedaling)? Surely for one fighter to be able to put in so much "road work" as you call it, surely that must be taxing on your legs over the course of 12 rounds, and would cause one to tire? How can we gauge whether or not G's punch output or using as much footwork as Alvarez did would cause one to tire more? Surely throwing more punches and using more footwork both would cause you to tire.

Here's another thing : Canelo was throwing more punches with bad intentions on them than G was. So yes G threw more punches, but G was clearly pacing himself more. You know as well as I do that if you throw one single punch but you put all your power into it, it can cause you to tire faster than if you just pump a few average jabs and throw an average right hand. Canelo was not only using his legs more, but he was loading up on his punches to try to land bombs on G. (which he did on several occassions) So even if you argue that Canelo was more gassed after 12 rounds, surely that had to do with the amount of footwork he was using and the fact that he was trying to land bombs on his opponent. When you put your full power into punches, when you land devasting uppercuts like Canelo does, that naturally would cause him to tire more than his opponent. Canelo was trying to make the fight entertaining by putting his all into his punches. G wasn't doing that.

 

But you were ok for Pacquiao trying to age Marquez and made him wait for 4 full year's

 

Use your head douchebag. If you have to always ask this stuff, it's clear you don't know too much.

 

You do know that Marquez had declined a rematch to fight Chris John instead? For chump change too.

 

Because Marquez was offered chump change from Arum, hell he was offered more in the first fight? Everyone knew Marquez deserved more..

 

You took a couple of days off from work? I honestly didn't notice nor realized this was your job. Hope you enjoyed the time off.

Did you actually think I would change my position and somehow see things through the lens that saw you scoring the fight for Alvarez? I'm good buddy....I'll stay consistent and firm on this particular topic but feel free to adjust your take if you feel compelled.

There's more in common between the outcome of the LL/Holyfield and GGG/Alvarez fight than just the draw. Both "draws" were extremely controversial. Both fights saw an overwhelming consensus of fans who saw Lewis and GGG winning their respective fights. And both fights saw one fighter being more aggressive (Lewis & Golovkin) and the other far more defensive (Holyfield & Alvarez).

Relax....you act as if I'm not giving Alvarez any respect and that's just silly. First of all, Alvarez is "your guy"...Golovkin is not "my guy". I'm a fan of the sweet science and it doesn't go beyond that. It gets a little awkward to go around reading that someone is "my guy" as if I own him or something. Look... I have always said Alvarez did well. I maintain he boxed beautifully in spots but they were over shadowed by his constant back peddling and GGG's consistent work rate. Nothing has changed.

I agree the verdict is what it is and that this isn't a popularity contest....if it were both Lewis and GGG would lose. Holyfield was the "A side" as was Alvarez. But with regards to who the overwhelming number of people viewed as the winner in both of those fights, Lewis and GGG clearly won. Popularity had nothing to do with how most everyone saw those fights. It had everything to do with what took place inside the ring and how the fight unfolded.

There were just as many fans who emphatically weighed in on the outcome of the GGG vs Alvarez verdict and with conviction, said Golovkin was robbed. Lampley had GGG winning as well. There are a slew of boxers and boxing personalities who have expressed how they felt Golovkin clearly beat Alvarez and that the draw was unjust or a gift for Alvarez.

At the end of the GGG vs Alvarez fight everyone knew Golovkin won. Just look at all the social media outlets covering the fight and the overwhelming narrative that Golovkin won. Just look at the pro Alvarez crowd, live in attendance and their reaction. He's one article out of many that had GGG winning clearly before the official scorecards were read. People were shocked at the draw.

http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/oth...ovkin-ggg-roundbyround-scorecard-11187295.amp

Lewis definitely won more rounds rounds over Holyfield than GGG won over Alvarez but why are you trying to argue semantics? Both fights had a clear winner and both fights ended in a controversial draw. I'm not trying to convince anyone to see things "my way"....I'm merely giving my position and presenting reality. There are very few who don't agree with me on this. So it's really not at all that serious for me.

Just chill....we already agreed you will see the fight as a decisive Alvarez win and I see it exactly the opposite. Don't get all riled up. The time off from work was supposed to help you relax. Now you're back and your heart rate is up. Be easy

 

Chump change? So he took even chump-ier change to face johns? How much was JMM offered for the rematch?

If a judge hadn't messed up with his scoring on the KD's, that would have been a Pac win. So, how does that mean JMM deserves more? Purse demands depend on popularity. JMM. as great as he was, was not popular at the time.

 

Are you really arguing who was more tired? Sheesh. Look....Canelo has always had problems with stamina and it was no different in his fight with GGG. More than likely his punch output had something to do with trying to conserve energy banking on him making it to the later rounds, which he did. But he did a half marathon in the process.

There's a skill with defensive footwork....Alvarez showed that in his other fights and very conservatively in his fight with GGG. Lateral movement, angles and pivots are a boxing skill....Back peddling is a defensive "tactic"....not a skill. Anyone can back peddle or retreat. Surely you know the difference?

Of course throwing harder punches exert more energy but again, it was a minimal effort on Alvarez's part. He didn't stay in the pocket or stand his ground enough to really make it his fight. He was fighting GGG's fight all night long with moments where he unloaded...then reverted back to allowing Golovkin to dictate the fight.

 

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