ODLH: GGG-Canelo Rematch Talks To Resume AFTER Saunders-Lemieux (GBP Preparing To Duck GGG Rematch?)

We aren't talking about him, this is just JMM -Manny Pac. But if 3G was offered less money and walked away, that's on him. He already did so of what he thought were lowball offers twice before from GBP. Difference here is, 3G is backed by a netowrk. JMM never was until later (If even that).

I'm as big a fan of JMM as any, but skills do not dictate when you earn, and he was very unknown back then. Being a draw or having a shrewd businessman negotiate your purse is what it takes.

 

Essentially that's what he did. Priced himself out. Who said anything about JMM being "terrified"? The only one talking about Juan being terrified is you. I just think he wanted to be paid more for the risk. Nothing wrong with that as long as you know your worth. What I don't agree with is those who said PAC "ducked" the JMM rematch.

Manny sought the immediate rematch but Juan overestimated his value and priced himself out. So how anyone could claim PAC ducked Juan is silly and it shows the lack of knowledge about how things unfolded after the first fight.In the first fight JMM received $500k....he was offered $750k for the immediate rematch.

 

JMM was offered $750k for the immediate rematch. He made $500k for the first fight with PAC. He wasn't offered less for the rematch which was in high demand at the time. That was FOTY in 2004.

 

"Marquez appeared to reach stardom in May 2004 when he rallied from three first-round knockdowns to retain his titles in a draw with Pacquiao in a sensational action fight.

HBO, which televised the fight, loved it so much they asked for a rematch, and Top Rank began working on it. But Marquez rejected a career-high $750,000 for the fight, asking instead for $1.5 million -- the entire license fee that HBO had offered for the rematch."

JMM literally "priced himself out". Again, I never said he was scared of facing Manny in an immediate rematch, but whoever said PAC ducked the immediate rematch with Marquez has absolutely no credibility or idea what they are talking about

 

I believe that is called a "fait accompli". That's French for "you are f*cked, lad".

 

There will be no rematch! Oscar lied to Golovkin, El Pollo will fight the winner of Lemieux/Saunders, that was planned right after the first fight. Oscar tricked Golovkin into not fight Saunders, remember? I posted that a long time ago!

 

Genuinely the first post i've read on here where i literally laughed out loud!

 

Humm so I guess your right and jmm lying?? Lol

 

Have you realize el "El pollo" is GG biggest payday,? Isn't sad GG went life and death with a smaller man know as "pollo"?

 

I just hope it does so that golden boy can swallow their medicine

 

JMM lying? Lol....Nah, I’m not saying that because I never read or heard that from JMM. You on the other hand? You’re suspect kid....I’m assuming you and Juan are tight like yoga pants and he told you this himself? That’s why there’s not documented articles, audio or video of him saying he was paid “less” for the rematch. Lol

Here’s a real excerpt from ESPN back in 2004 from Dan Rafael.

"Marquez appeared to reach stardom in May 2004 when he rallied from three first-round knockdowns to retain his titles in a draw with Pacquiao in a sensational action fight.

HBO, which televised the fight, loved it so much they asked for a rematch, and Top Rank began working on it. But Marquez rejected a career-high$750,000 for the fight, asking instead for $1.5 million -- the entire license fee that HBO had offered for the rematch."

I’m actually curious....What will you say next? Lol

 

You're just ignorant plain and simple.

Funny how its ok for you that Ggg didnt accept the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd offer from GBP but with JMM you say its ducking. You have zero credibility.

JMM rejected the first offer Top Rank offered for the rematch. Fact.

At that same time Erik Morales had just lost his trilogy with MAB and was pissed. Fact.

He immediately went to the Bob Father and asked for the Pacquiao fight. Fact.

My guess was to one up MAB since he had gotten TKOd by Pac the year before and was upset he lost the decision.

Morales being a huge attraction, especially compared to JMM got the fight with Pac. Fact.

Negotiations for the Jmm-Pac rematched ceased due to the more lucrative fight with Morales. Fact.

Youre a fanboy no doubt but at least Be honest in your debates.

 

Sheesh. Did I ruffle your feathers? I’ve never been call ignorant, on a message board no less...but I guess there’s a first time for everything?

Who said anything about me being “OK” with GGG not accepting the 1st, 2nd & 3rd offer from Golden Boy? I sure as hell didn’t? Lol. I also never said JMM ducked PAC...I guess it makes a little more sense why you are so upset and questioning my “credibility”. Why is my credibility in question instead of the guy who said “JMM himself said he was offered LESS for the immediate rematch” with Manny?

My point bringing up Juan pricing himself out was for those who said PAC ducked the immediate rematch back in 2004. That was just silly. Juan was offered his biggest payday and he wanted more than he was worth at that time. He wanted $1.5M which was ridiculous because that was the entire amount for the license fee HBO offered for the immediate rematch. Manny definitely did NOT duck JMM. He wanted the immediate rematch with Juan but he had no control over how Marquez chose to negotiate.

Juan made the choice to hold firm and instead take $32K to fight Chris John in Indonesia. If it’s a “fact” that JMM rejected the first offer from top rank, it’s also a fact that JMM asked for $1.5M which is basically saying he didn’t want the rematch at that time.

What does Erik and MAB have to do with this? You are all over the place. Fact. Lol

Your assumption about what Erik was thinking in doing the MAB trilogy to “one up” PAC is fine....everyone is entitled to thinking whatever they want, but it has nothing to do with JMM making the decision NOT to fight PAC in an immediate rematch.

The only reason PAC and EM fought instead of JMM fighting PAC was because he chose to not take the offer giving him (at the time) his biggest payday and instead chose to fight Chris John...Fact. Lol... you love that “fact” sh*t. It’s hysterical!

Negotiations stopped because JMM priced himself out and didn’t know his worth. Fact. You are mad at PAC but you should be mad at JMM that the immediate rematch didn’t happen. He had a chance to make more money than he had ever made in his career at that time and get right back in there with Manny but he decided to take WAY less money....fight in Indonesia and miss out on the opportunity to face PAC right away.

You’re the one who’s acting like a major “fan boy”....lol, not me. Just look at how mad you are at me for giving you facts about the situation. You can’t stand that JMM was responsible for the immediate Rematch not happening right away with Manny and you are trying so hard to make it seem as though “PAC ducked JMM”. That’s just silly. It’s ludicrous man. Haha.

You calling me a “fan boy” and saying I have “zero credibility” is a riot. Coming from you? That is just special. Be easy bro

 

This can be discussed until the cows come home but the truth is Canelo is a Golden Goose for Golden Boy and they will not allow their Golden Goose to be killed. GGG clearly beat Canelo. Anyone with any knowledge of the fight game knows this. It could not be any more obvious. This subject should be considered closed because the dolts who actually say Canelo won the fight are so biased they will never change their opinion. So, Canelo is being propped up by a corrupt group in the boxing world. You just recognize it for what it is - corruption - and move on.

 

You're never gonna get anywhere with that fool.