ODLH-PBF vs ODLH-Pac, difference in DLH?

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  1. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just watched ODLH-PBF and I cant see any difference between the DLH of PBF and the DLH of Pac. The difference is their opponents, whereas PBF stood still plenty of times, ALLOWED DLH to get off so he could counter, Pac moved all over the place and punched DLH at will so DLH couldnt throw a punch. Both DLH was plodding with the same stance throwing the same punches at pretty much the same speed, 1 was allowing him to throw punches, the other wanted to do the punching.

    Sure if you are comparing young DLH to DLH-Pac I can see the difference, but not the DLH of PBF.

    IMO this is more a case of Pac making the fight look so easy he made DLH look alot more shot. Had he allowed DLH to throw his punches, then Pac thow his punches, DLH would look less shot.

    People just cant see past the masterpiece, they cant believe someone can be that good the other person must be just that bad. :lol:

    Seriously look at the 2 fights and tell me why and how you disagree with me.
     
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  2. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    In some ways you're right. Styles make fights, Pac's style was horrible for Oscar. I would also add that Oscar was weight drained for Pac, and not Floyd. He was also a couple of years older, which when your a fighter in your mid-30's, those couple of years can make a big difference.
     
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  3. Guru_Too_You

    Guru_Too_You ESB OG circa '99 Full Member

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    About 15 pounds.

    He was a skeleton against Pac.
     
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  4. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I dont see how thats relevant, DLH was the bigger man in both fights. You havent explained the difference in how they looked in the ring fighting. Both guys looked exactly the same, watching DLH plod toward PBF so he could unleash his combos, PBF stood there and allowed him to do it so he could slip them. This made DLH look competetive, Pac on the other hand would circle around the same plodding DLH, sneak in his left hand then throw his own combination, whilst cirlcing away again. this threw Oscar off, cos he had to start the whole proccess again of plodding forward to get settled to throw his combinations.
     
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  5. DINAMITA

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    The weight had a lot to do with it, but so did Pac's aggression and punching power. Had Pac been lying on the ropes allowing Oscar to initiate, Oscar would have done so.
     
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  6. rjamesd1

    rjamesd1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What about MOSLEY? :hat
     
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  7. VARG

    VARG Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've always thought and felt the same way, but just figured if I posted what you posted I'd get stoned for it...

    But yes...totally agree. The weight thing is BS.

    Some people want to say DLH wasn't even trying. But he truly was, but simply couldn't find Pac anywhere near him when he threw. He was simply too fast.

    I also think the weight gain for Mayweather affected his speed and why he didn't look to be all over the place in his usual pot-shotting way.

    I also think he came with the wrong gameplan for DLH, but was smart enough to adapt accordingly. Whereas Roach KNEW exactly WHO DLH was and what his habits are, hence the perfect gameplan and **** appearance of DLH.

    People put too much blame on Pac and DLH, rather than give Roach his real credit for perfecting a gameplan that exploited DLH's weaknesses...
     
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  8. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    What about him?

    I didn't say "all fighters in their mid-30's". I was talking specifically about Oscar.
     
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  9. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Look, Pac has the victory, no-one can ever take that away but lets not start spouting absolute horse****.

    The difference in the May 07 DLH compared to the Dec 08 DLH is night & day, any sane person can see this.
     
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  10. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Actually he was 1yr and 7 months older so not quite. Still, weight, age, these are just numbers that we KNEW before the fight happened, yet experts and fans still made DLH the very strong favourite. So if the numbers were the same before the fight, why use them as an excuse after the fight.

    I would assume that knowledgeable boxing fans would analyse fights and fighters based on what they see on the screen and not simply a case of numbers. In this case, watching DLH on screen, tell me exactly how he is different from the DLH of PBF. Everything I see different about the fight, the opponents made them different, DLH moved the same.
     
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  11. Bazooka

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    Even Roach himself said after the fight that DLHs fight was making the weight ours was in the ring, He went on to say Oscar had to train to make weight we got to train for the fight.

    Roach also argued that DLH was shot and couldnt pull the trigger, so add it up, if you have a man comming down in weight this late in his career, and who is also shot or is having difficulty pulling the trigger then your answer is right there, why would roach say these things if they just were not true? it doesnt favor him or Manny Pacquiao at all.

    The truth is yes Southpaws and speedsters do give DLH trouble and have but Oscar has always been able to compete with these guys, add some weight drained issues along with his inability to pull the trigger and you get the fight we saw.
     
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  12. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yet no one can explain. DLH moved the same way, same punches, same speed, same intentions, to get close neough to throw those crazy combinations. The difference is clear as day, 1 allowed him to do it, the other didnt. I agree with the poster above, it was more gameplan than anything else that was different. Im pretty sure had PBF gone in there with the same gameplan as Pac, he may very well have beat up DLH just as bad...im just trying to expose people's ignorance.
     
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  13. Bazooka

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    I will explain, because the only way for Pacquiao to beat Oscar in manys opinion was if DLH was shot or effected by the weight loss or both and many of us didnt think Oscar was shot, there had been no recent fights to show us that, we didnt think the weight would be too big of a factor, he looked good at 150 with Forbes, lets not forget the man weighed in at 145 walked into the fight at 147 thats like two bottles of ****ing water between the weigh in and the fight.
     
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  14. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    DLH was coming down in weight but he was also fighting a guy coming up 3 weight divisions in the same year. Roach did say DLH couldnt pull the trigger, BUT he said this based on the PBF fight. SO he saw DLH was shot back in the PBF fight when he trained him, which further backs my argument, both DLH that PBF & Pac fought were the same.
     
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  15. Bazooka

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    He was shot in both fights yes, but he wasnt weight drained in the Floyd fight which was at 154:deal
     
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