ODLH-PBF vs ODLH-Pac, difference in DLH?

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  1. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    You say Pac just wasnt there like he is Willie Pep.... Floyd is better defensively than Manny, that is a fact, as great as Pac is, he has always been relatively easy to hit vs elite fighters, which Oscar was defo not at 147 lbs. Defence is not Pacman`s strongest attribute.

    You say DLH was shattered because he got hit clean by a p4p puncher, why does Pac being a p4p puncher mean that his shots were any more powerfull than Mayweather`s, I guarantee that FMJ`s punches at 154 were both harder & cleaner than the ones Pac hit Oscar with at 147... its all to do with the physical state of the man recieving the shots.

    Check out Bazooka`s vid on page 1 & listen to Roach, that should mean EOT (end of thread.)
     
  2. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just incase he stuggles with what parts to pay attention to I've typed it all out for him on the previous page Bill:good

    Yet somehow I just don't think he'll get the message...
     
  3. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    Thats right.What the hell do people mean by bigger man here?He's NATURALLY bigger but trained and dieted into the smaller man.That is clearly so unhealthy.A natural 154-160 guy reducing to a lighter weight than a natural LW-JW?Its just wrong.Its a sick,unnatural idea(though his own fault)

    He was the taller man,but not Bigger that night,though he Should be.Thats where its blatantly unhealthy.
    He even looked bizarre;narrow shoulders,skinny legs and a big lollopop head.Slightly disturbing.

    Pac is great,but this shouldnt be a debate.He beat a carcass that night.
     
  4. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Do you not watch fights before you comment on them? Freddie Roach even explained this on your favourite video, the one Bazooka posted on page 2. To quote Freddie: "I saw this on the PBF fight, Oscar doesnt know how to cut the ring off, he follows you and when he follows you, you can land the left all night long". Which is exactly what Pac did. Now that same Oscar used the exact same tactic against PBF, he will follow him, get in range, then unleash a fast combination...PBF ALLLOWED him to do it. Where as Pac would circle away all night, PBF would stand still and attempt to slip and counter those combinations. Because PBF allowed Oscar to get off, Oscar looked more competitive. Hence the point of the thread, the difference was the opponent, not Oscar.

    You guarantee PBF punch were harder? Oscar didnt think so, and he was the one getting hit :lol:. Your guarantee doesnt mean anything, you have no way of proving it, not even the slightest bit of evidence leaning towards it. If anything all evidence leads to Pac being the harder puncher, by demonstrating it.
     
  5. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wow well done you get quotes from Roach saying Oscar is gonna loose the fight. Must I bother getting quotes from DLH, Dundee & Nacho saying how everything is going good, the weight is good, DLH feeling the best ever blah blah blah so they will win the fight?

    And I already answered this. The weight explains why the KO came early, it doesnt explain why oscar was outclassed from round 1. Even Freddie said it, he will be good for 3 rounds, meaning he will still have his legs...yet Pac outclassed him rounds 1, 2 & 3. So the weight issue is irrelevant, because all that would have happened is Oscar would last longer, he was still outclassed from round 1.
     
  6. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You say this, but how many experts & fans picked DLH after seeing the weigh in photos? lol, infact I remember plenty of posters saying how Oscar looked good and Pac would get KO'd.

    Oscar was the bigger man, if Oscar was really 147 that night, it was because he has trained his body to fight at that weight. He was always better at 147 than he was at 154 anyways.
     
  7. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    DLH has EVERY reason to lie. Can you imagine the uproar if he came out and said yeah, I knew I'd got it wrong, I knew I was out of shape, I knew I was going to get beat. The damage done to DLH's credibility would be immense. The guy wouldn't sell 1000 ppvs let alone 2 million.

    The fact that Roach is discrediting his own fighter a little speaks volumes. Your wrong dude.:deal
     
  8. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    His OWN trainer is saying something was wrong with DLH and you still argue:patsch:patsch
     
  9. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Or you can look at it another angle. DLH should be blaming the weight so when he jumps to 154, he can con the public again, yet he isn't. Roach would be trying to make out like he saw it coming, so that the public further reads into the notion that he's a coach guru who really knows his stuff. :deal
     
  10. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I want you to explain Freddie Roach's comments to me.:good
    In detail.

    Oh and Pacquiao would be happy with his coach discrediting his victory a little would he?:patsch
     
  11. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And I explained about 100 times. The thing that was wrong with DLH, his stamina because of weight, is irrelevant...simply because DLH was not outclassed from round 6 onwards where his stamina would come into play, he was outclassed from round 1. Freddie himself said he would be good for 3-4 rounds, yet in those 3-4 rounds he was outclassed. So all that weight did was allowed the KO to come earlier than it should have.
     
  12. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We have debated long and hard. No offense my friend but I've come to the conclusion you are a nut.

    Look forward to debating on another point sometime. (Hopefully not Pac)
     
  13. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    oscar definitely past his prime in both, didn't look so bad physically vs. floyd. Against manny, he looked drained. it's that simple, but manny still deserves the credit for taking on the bigger man
     
  14. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol:

    All in good fun m8. I completely see where you are coming from, Im just being stubborn. My initial post though was based on my observation of DLH in the ring, as a fighter, meaning how he fought. The numbers such as age and weight we knew before and after the fight...sure they had an affect but IMO, the fighter that was DLH was equally skilled in the ring. The difference is he probably had alot less endurance, which again explains the early KO...it still doesnt explain why he was outclassed from round 1. Even Mike Tyson who had bad stamina problems was good for atleast 3 rounds and would win those rounds. Oscar simply didnt. Simply put, if DLH was at 154, he would have fought the same, so outboxed the same, difference is he would have lasted longer.
     
  15. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    Well i think most observers rightly figured Oscar would rehydrate after the weigh-in rather than stay at 147 for fight night.
    Moreover Oscar WAS better at 147, but that was years ago when he was still growing.Furthermore after his WW fights he would replenish and rehydrate his system;he didnt enter the ring against Tito/Mosley etc at 147.

    How you cant see how unhealthy and unnatural Oscar was at 147 in the ring that night is beyond me.:huh

    Nobody disputes Pac's brilliance by the way,so why not be fair and objective like we are?