There are 7 days in a week adn 365 of them in a year its a numbers game, Please explain why you are avoiding the Freddy Roach interview regarding the fight:think
Yes I do box. Sure I can accept that weight changes things, but so does going up in weight. Also like Manny Steward said, if the effects of the weight drain was there, it would have all showed up in training and Oscar would have known this. Obviously he accepted to fight at 147 so he thought he could do it. Again, this is a number issue. Watching the footage, tell me how this affected Oscar? Cos he still moved the same, its not like he was dancing on his feet against PBF and plodding against Pac. Same fighter.
That still doesn't explain being ranked 2nd in a predictions league. What about the interview? So he says weight drain affects you and it shows us in the history books, jumping a weight division, yet alone 2 also affects you. Also the weight drain explains why Oscar got tired so quick, still doesnt explain why he was outclassed from round 1.
atsch I know your not that slow you cant be, if you have been following this sport as long as you claim to have been then you would know from the get what happend to Oscar, the man couldnt pull the trigger he was shot plus weight drained, what do you expect he is going to look like? Keep your head though I would love to see your reaction when Hatton beats Mannys ass.
Going up in weight is completely different than going down in weight. They're not even in the same league and can't be compared. As a fighter you should know this. Of course he thought he could make 147. How he did it was the mistake. DLH had no weight problems for his fight with PBF, nothing documented. With Pac however there are pages and pages of reading online with what went wrong, red deer meat etc..... and yet there's no relationship in regarding performance in your eyes. I'm sorry mate I just can't see your point of view. A better measure of what Pac is like at a higher weight will be Hatton because we know Hatton will get weight right, he's been doing it for too long to mess up (momentous **** ups aside). Regardless of outcome Hatton will give a better show than that of DLH, guaranteed.
:-( Your as bad as Atlas...don't jynx it for them :yep Otherwise I'll hear another weight-drained excuse...:verysad
I been following the sport a long time and understand people get caught up in the hype and instead of analysing the fight footage, they analyse the results. In this case, Pac mauls Oscar, oscar must be shot...I can see past that, look at Oscar and how he can be so different...in truth he wasnt that different. Skinnier, less stamina, but he still plod, he still tried to throw his combinations and his defense was still leaky. PBF couldnt miss with his lead right, neither could manny with his lead left, manny just threw it more. Its the same with Lacy-Joe. People were saying how Lacy would kill Joe. I watched 2 fights of Lacy and specially the one with Pemberton. People were impressed with the "result", KO 3 for Lacy but that wasnt what was important, the important thing was how much success a shot Pemberton had in outboxing Lacy in the 3 rounds before the KO. In that sense Joe who was 10* the boxer with a better chin should easily outclass this guy. And he did. Want a lifetime avatar bet with me on that fight? Pac is all wrong for Hatton, he will give Hatton a beating. Id give Guzman and Valero a bigger chance of beating Pac. Avatar can only be changed by winners permission
I have been as bad as atlast lately :yep But I dont see Hatton Pacquiao as a for sure win for Pac, Hatton is going to hit Manny and we havent seen Manny hit by anybody north of 130 who can crack, so until we see how he copes with that I say in this fight I have to go with Ricky, he has been in there with some big punchers and done very well his only official loss is to Floyd Mayweather Jr.
no one can take this victory from pac, its monumental. no one told oscar he had to fight at 147. people keep on saying he hadn't fought in that division for 7 years, how about pac he never fought in that division period, that evens it up in my mind. is it realy hard to envision that pac just had one of his best performances that night. like he was quoted as saying "its the most important fight of my life" and when he is commited you know what type of perfomances he brings. weight drained or not people need to start admiring that performance because it was awesome.
This bull**** excuse is getting ****ing old! Seriously...put in a slower fighter and DLH would've looked great or at least competitive... ****...put Hatton in that fight against DLH and he would've nailed Hatton with some good combo's and had his moments...he might've even won the fight. Mayweather Sr. trained both of them. He surely would've came up with a good gameplan to exploit his weaknesses. But I assure you, it wouldn't have been as successful because of the speed and perfection of Roach and Manny. I mean you have to REALLY be in utter awe of the minor details Freddie had about Oscar and the things he had people look into. Freddie told one of Manny's assistants to TIME HIS PUNCHES...****ing TIME them. I've heard abotu strategizing and watching tapes...but **** man...literally TIMING reactions times and building up perfect combinations that are in sync with those timed reactions was just genius. To give me this weak ass weight issue is just downright demeaning...
I bodybuild so my weight fluctuates and I make nothing of it. Of course Im not a proffesional fighter so I'm not gonna compare my weight changes with that of DLH. If they were doing the weight drain wrong, this would have shown up in camp...DLH was confident until he started getting hit. Im not going by weight, Im going by performance according to fight footage. Sure I can accept that DLH's punches may not have had as much weight behind them, however in terms of skill, in terms of gameplan, and even speed, he seems identical the PBF fight. Perhaps the things im looking for in the fight footage will not show on film, its something the fighter would be feeling rather than for me to see. I predict Pac to absolutely maul Hatton in simmilar Diaz fashion except Pac gets hit alot more. If he does would you accept my POV on DLH?
I think Hatton's days of eating punches are gone. He was rocked by Paulie regardless of how great he looked in the rest of the fight. He was also SWELLING from the small number of punches he took...those are all DLH signs of decline. He swelled up against Forbes. And then got his ass kicked Hatton swelled up against Paulie. And I'm pretty sure he'll be beaten again. I think it'll be a late TKO...possibly on swelling alone. But I do agree that Hatton will be much more competitive than DLH.
That's the problem, they weren't supposed to look the same, and no DLH was actually the smaller man in this fight when they weighed in on fight night. You sound like you simply don't want anything to besmirch Manny's spectacular performance, but the bottomline is that something did. In boxing, it is important to have some fat on your bones and to be hydrated because you burn that fat as energy in the fight and you need to be sweating. That's why you see some guys that are very cut and ripped get tired easily because they don't have enough fat and liquids in their body. Oscar looked far too lean, and when you're that lean, you will definitely be dehydrated. Accept it and it will make it easier for you to handle, it's not that big a deal. I know that you wish everything was perfect, so that Manny's performance could truly have been brilliant, but the fact is that Oscar looked a bit drained.
Oh really? Don't take my word for it, how about Manny's own trainer Roach? [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbKml_g3zKg[/yt]