ODLH-PBF vs ODLH-Pac, difference in DLH?

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  1. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I said nothing about weight drain. I'm just simply telling the facts. Pacman, probably due to his muscular frame, rehydrated noticeably more than JMM in both fights. It's just the way it is.
     
  2. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    I'm just ****ing with you man I know Pac came in around 147 against JMM and JMM was about 144. But the thing is moving up in weight is not only about how much you weigh its about how your body is adjusted to fighting guys that are bigger in size. Guys that can take your punch better and that can deliver a stronger punch and can muscle you around. Oscar is used to fighting these big guys but Pac isn't.

    I also expected Oscar to beat Pac and I based that on him being the bigger fighter on fight night. However the fact that Pac completely destroyed him when they were at the same weight is evidence that 1) Pac is better than I thought and 2) Even if Oscar weighed more than Pac it wouldn't make enough of a difference to get him a W. He would still get his ass kicked, but maybe not as bad..
     
  3. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    CO -SIGN ON THAT :hi::good
     
  4. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Bull****. Age varies from fighter to fighter.

    If Fighter 'A' has had 60 wars.

    And Fighter 'B' has had 20 easy wins.

    Then it doesn't matter if those fighters are the same age.


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    And...by the way....I said "a couple of years can make a big difference for a fighter in their 30's".

    Thats a bit different to saying "a couple of years makes a big difference for all fighters in their 30's"


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  5. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    BS. Over 200 boxing fights on my video collection, and youre gonna tell me I only follow 1 fighter? :lol:

    Is this "REAL" fans those where their entire analytical ability is based on weight. Hey who's gonna win Dec 06, the BIGGER man. Well maybe this real fan saw something else other than weight, he saw that Pac may be too fast, he saw that the aggression and stamina may be all wrong for the older man, and he saw that the fight was announced at 147, therefore both guys has to weigh in at 147. And when these real fans were proven wrong, they said weight will win the fight, and they blame weight for loosing the fight. Nevermind the guy in front of him who wasn't there to be hit, extra 20lbs or not.

    OH BTW, here's quotes from your average REAL fan:

    I love how every single day of the week leading to the fight its DLH by KO. EVEN after the weigh in its all confidence regarding the weight, DLH by KO. Straight after their proven wrong, damm it its the weight!!!
     
  6. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree 2 years can make a difference...however I measure that difference by what we see on tape. I did not see anything on the tape that showed DLH has declined further since PBF except for perhaps his stamina, which wouldnt have come into play anyways for changing the outcome of the fight. If anything, my point is, both DLH's were equally past it.
     
  7. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What also contributed was Pac's body shots, he made DLH pay. DLH was visibly protecting his body a lot of times against Pac.
     
  8. boxbox

    boxbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    DLH explained what happened in the PAC fight. They knew about Pac's speed and had a plan for that. They had a plan A (to try and hurt Pac early to somehow lessen Pac's speed and stamina) and a plan B (that if plan A fails, they would encourage Pac to hit oscar and set him up for a trap where Oscar will use his strength and try to go for the KO). I was thinking the plan changed when he felt Pac's power, and it somehow made him cautious in engaging in a brawl. Plans A and B went down the drain.
     
  9. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wasnt that the fake interview? I dont think DLH has said much about the fight other than what he said post fight interview.
     
  10. pauliemayweathe

    pauliemayweathe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    true story...u can read ibnto it all u want but this is the factor...PBF beat a guy who was 162...pac beat a guy who was 147
     
  11. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And who's to say DLH at 162 was better than DLH at 147? No proof of that, speculation. If anything, ODLH campaign at WW was more successful than the one at MW.
     
  12. rjamesd1

    rjamesd1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    first of all, DLH didn't drop the 15 pounds overnight, it was done gradually and was monitored for side effects. On the other hand PAC added weight. HATTON cried about adding weight after he lost to PBF, when he only added 7 lbs. PAC how many pounds did he add? Divisions he jumped over? :hat
     
  13. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wtf has Hatton got to do with this?
    Different boxers adapt differently. Don't judge one by how another adapts Hatton has nothing to do with this.:roll:

    I have a question for you guys that think it was the same DLH for the PBF fight.
    Answer me why Freddie Roach would be quoted saying the following:

    "Oscar shows up, he could barely get around the track. Seemed like he was struggling to make weight, his face was drawn, looked white as a ghost, it just made my confidence that much more"

    Question: "Freddie how did you feel when they weighed in at 145?"
    Answer: "I was thrilled, Oscar over did it. He tried to prove he could come in lighter than us cause he thought we were going to come in at 147. Lets face it, fighters are weighed 5 minutes before they get on the scale then they're off weight and re-hydrate 5 minutes after. That concept of saying being at weight for a month so you're used to being at that weight, thats bull****. Fighters make weight the last day and re-hydrate and go back up in weight. All this deer meat, antelope meat, proteins and no carbohydrates, his nutritionist done a terrible job."

    "But then I saw the i.v in his arm, I saw the i.v marks, fresh tape, it's a fresh iv, I can tell the cut. They re-hydrated him too late, they waited too long to hydrate him I feel. Its not illegal of course but the thing is he couldn't get nothing in his system and then he was dehydrated after the fight, I got a report from the doctors, it was dehydration because they didn't hydrate him enough, nobody let him build his body back up, they did it to themselves"

    Question: "Freddie when did you feel in the course of that fight you were going to fully control this bout?"

    Answer: "Before the fight started. When he gained 2lbs between weigh in and fight time I said, Manny he's going to be good for 3 rounds keep your hands up, don't go crazy, take your time, break him down slowly, we got him."

    Answer that boys. Same Oscar My arse, there's your answer.
     
  14. gigogreco

    gigogreco Well-Known Member Full Member

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    you might aswell give up, those *******s are simply not coherant enough, to understand, that this is the truth.. eventhough their favorite ****-roach is telling it like it is, ill bet they still wont accept it.

    how someone can say it was the same calibre of fighter they fought, is perhaps one of the worst observations ive seen here on esb..

    how the **** anyone can analyze the scenario, where oscar rehydrates to aprox 160 and call it similar to the living zombie at 145, is really beyond me, AND THIS IS CLEARLY A PERSON, WHO DOESNT KNOW **** ABOUT CUTTING WEIGHT, IF THIS IS DONE THE WRONG WAY..
     
  15. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tell me about it. Feel like I'm banging my head against a ****ing wall. :twisted: