ODLH's resume is pretty weak if you think about it

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  1. Nay_Sayer

    Nay_Sayer On Rick James Status banned Full Member

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    LOL...

    Exactly what did FatNando do after the de la Hoya fight?

    N O T H I N G.

    The notion that Ole' Fishnets fought a PRIME Vargas is a de la Hoya jizz guzzler's wet dream.
     
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  2. pride4jc1222

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    But hey, who's fault is that? If Vargas decided to stop training as hard, that's all on him. You cannot go back to revise history, and hold that against Oscar.

    By the way, I am a Hopkins fan, not a De La Hoya fan.

    Moreover, the argument works both ways. Just as you cannot discount Oscar's win over Vargas, people cannot go around and start discounting B Hop's win over Oscar.

    As far as I am concerned, both Hopkins and De La Hoya were still in their primes (albeit very late into it) at the time of their fight. Even if you do not believe they were (and that is reasonable), one cannot reasonably conclude that either fighter was washed up at the time.
     
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  3. Nay_Sayer

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    What the hell are you talking about? Who's trying to "revise history"? If anything, YOU'RE the one who's trying to ignore history.

    The FACT of the matter is, as noted earlier in this thread by Lance_IdiotCut, Vargas was *not* the same fighter post the Trinidad beating.
     
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  4. IsaL

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    I had 4 close rounds. The rest were lopsided in favor of Oscar.
     
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  5. divac

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    Exactly!
    Vargas before and after Trinidad were completely different fighters.

    In everyone of Vargas' fights between Tito and DLH, Vargas looked slow, sluggish, and was being rocked by non-punchers.

    A pretty good but not prime version of Vargas showed up to fight DLH (courtesy and helped by steroids) but the solid 154 lbs champ that was pre-tito was long gone and DLH really got Tito's leftovers!

    Post Tito, Vargas was much more easier to put on ***** street, his punch resistant diminished! :deal
     
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  6. nastynas

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    It's funny how these fighters all called Hoya a *****, and then they take steroids to fight him.
     
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  7. mbandit

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    They were robberies according to YOU....are you willing to admit that Mayweather lost the Castillo and Cotto fights since official scoring has no validity according to you?
     
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  8. Nay_Sayer

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    Only an idiot or a butthurt hater thinks Cotto beat Floyd.
     
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  9. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you had the ability to 'think about it', you would never have made this sad thread.
     
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  10. McGrain

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    Good post.
     
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  11. McGrain

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    Disagree:

    Oscar De La Hoya UD12 Pernell Whitaker

    OSCAR 2,3,4,7,8,10,12
    PEA: 1,5,6,9,11

    7-5 Oscar De La Hoya

    For the first time ever one of my cards matches Lederman's exactly, I gave exactly the same rounds to each man. It is quite a difficult fight to score and that's reflected in the scorers ringside. Lederman gave it to Oscar, Merchant gave it to Whitaker or saw it a draw depending on what he did with the last round, 3 judges gave it to Oscar, 11 writers gave it to Oscar and 14 writers gave it Whitaker. I make that a dead heat if Merchant found a way to give the twelfth to Whitaker, the slimmest of edges to De La Hoya if he scored the 12th otherwise.

    Pea looked like he was going to take it based upon round one, Oscar just looked legitimately befuddled in mp opinion but Oscar was able to up his workrate and just take some chances. His original plan to walk through a fighter who wouldn't even be there if you got there was obviously ludicrous, but the boiled down version worked well for him in about the 17th fight where the HBO crew tells us that Oscar's best punch is his left hook but he can't throw it tonight.

    The ludicrous WBC rule regarding accidental headbutts set Pernell a real stall and after he lost the third and fourth on my card I had my doubts, but he put together his only two rounds in a row in the fight in 5 and 6 to make it competitive again and combined with the messy knock down (which evened things up nicely on the cards Karma-wise) he was right back in the fight. Unfortunately for him, Oscar just knows judges and he upeed his game after the 9th and again in the 12th. As we now know, he needn't have bothered his arse, but it was a good determined play.

    A real what-you-prefer type of fight, and personally I like to score for the guy that learned the more hurtful punches. I thought it was interesting the way Oscar abandoned his own jab, just like he would against Mayweather years later...I think he thinks he can't throw it when he's being out-boxed, he just needs the statement punches. It worked for him here, but with diminishing returns on his speed, he would get caught out next time.

    I do think that Whitaker looked old. Whenever I watch him in his younger days he looks unnatural in the ring he is having such a good time. He always looks to me like he's playng basketball when he's boxing, but here things had a bitter twist - he wasn't quite fast enough.

    A word for Oscar's corner who were pitiful. In the rounds that turned the fight around, the third and the fourth, he had great success choping Whitkaer out of clinches and giving him a push here and there. The corner shat it off the cut and read the fight all wrong when they demanded their man stay outside. I think Oscar knew it too. Shame he didn't heed his own heart over the matter, he may have won this clean.






    OSCAR: 1,2,3,4,10,12
    QUARTEY: 5,6,7,8,9,11

    114-113 OSCAR
     
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  12. turbotime

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    ****ing great post, McG!:deal
     
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  13. MAG1965

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    he fought good fighters, you cannot take that away from him. Had he stayed at 140 his left hook would have become legendary.
     
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  14. Rico Spadafora

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    I am not a DLH fan but the guy fought just about everyone there was to fight. Not going to knock him for that. He got a few gift decisions and was robbed a few times also. Stuff like that happens when you fight all the big names of your generation.

    Compare it to someone like Roy Jones Jr who handpicked, avoided most of the better fighters available to him and has a Glass Jaw. Yet, people on here act like Jones is a top 10 fighter all time :lol::rofl:patsch

    When you fight as many marquee fights as DLH did you are bound to lose a few. It happens.
     
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  15. LoveMuffin

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    Christ no!

    Op please give us an example of a fighters resume that is not in your view weak so we can compare the two.....

    If it happens to be an ATG's then that says it all.
     
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