Of the last 40 years, does anyone besides LL have a chance to beat Vitaly?

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  1. Slacker

    Slacker Big & Slow Full Member

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    All of the guys above, and probably Larry Holmes.

    Here is why:

    1. Tyson - Ability to quickly get in close, and deliver devastating combos would result in either Klit snoozing on the canvas. A prime Tyson was not prone to the "jab you to death" game plan because he could close the gap.

    2. Ali - Do I even need to explain this one? Ali would dance around Vitali, hitting him at will. Vitali has the "hands down" defense, and Ali was way too quick for that to work.

    3. Foreman - The guy is a tank, and KO's guys with just glancing blows. Vitali couldn't hurt him, and couldn't trade with him and stay on his feet.

    4. Wlad - Of the two brothers, I think Vitali is the more powerful, harder hitting. However, Wlad is smoother, more coordinated and has a much better trainer and technique than Vitali. As long as he didn't square off and trade, Wlad wins this one on a decision.

    Other: I watched the Lennox fight, and thought Lennox was going to lose it. In a rematch, I think Lennox would have lost, so I am not including him.

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  2. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    please shut up
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  3. watcher

    watcher Active Member Full Member

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    I don't dispute that Lewis won. But for the purposes of a discussion on Vitaly's skill level and the potential for past greats to successfully apply their strategies in a hypothetical match, the scorecards are more relevant than the fact that he lost on cuts.
    Otherwise, it would be like saying: Usain Bolt isn't the fastest sprinter because he tripped and fell once.
    Or: Michael Phelps isn't the fastest swimmer because he anticipated the start once.
    Clearly, those are arguments only a mentally deficient individual would make.
    You seem to be pretty smart, so I think you understand the point I'm trying to make.
     
  4. TheLongDrop

    TheLongDrop New Member Full Member

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    I think Ali takes him to school (probably points). Foreman destroys him. Frazier and Norton give him hell. Joe Louis chops him down like he did to Carnera, and Dempsey busts him up like he did to Willard.

    Once a guy gets too big, he's no good - lack of co-ords. Vitali's just lucky he's in this era and wasn't born 30 or more years earlier.

    I don't rate LL (twice he turned his back on opponents and ran across the ring - and he also never got off the canvas to win a fight) too highly. So losing to LL is a problem!
     
  5. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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  6. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is absurd logic at best. If you're going to look at the fight and conclude the Vitali was leading on the cards, maybe, just maybe you might want to consider Lewis' age. Other than that, those who argue that one punch decided the fight really either never saw the fight or simply hate Lewis. Did the punch above the eye, (the so called lucky punch that happened to be thrown with bad intentions), cause the cut on Vitali's lip that resulted in Vitali swallowing a significant amount of blood? What about the cut on the cheek too, was that also caused by that one glancing blow?

    Does the fact Lewis won the 6th round on all 3 scorecards matter if the scoring is being discussed? And does the score matter once a fighter's been deemed unable to continue?

    Answer: Check Boxrec if you're not sure about the outcome of the fight!

    For ****s sake, live with the result already. It was a hard fought fight in which Lewis found away to win. Deal with it, cause the result isn't going to change.

    Lewis TKO 6 over V Klitschko.
     
  7. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It amazes me after 6 years the reality of the results are still being disputed by a small minority of fanatics. The outcomes long been decided and isn't going to change.
     
  8. thesandman

    thesandman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Best logic ever.

    Lewis couldn't beat Vitaly, because in the fight he ACTUALLY WON, you thought he was going to lose.

    Awesome.

    I thought Bruno was going to beat Lewis as well for a couple of rounds. Until he got stopped. I guess that means Bruno is better than Lewis too right?
     
  9. Fighting Weight

    Fighting Weight Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Those pics are pretty conclusive eh?

    That's what happened when Lennox Lewis fought VITLAY Klitschko, and that's what will always be in the record books. There was no rematch because a rematch wasn't necessary - the worst version of Lennox Lewis to ever step into a ring did that amount of damage to that ***** VITLAYS face, and that was the end of the fight. Had there been a rematch Lewis might just have killed the bum, VITLAY should be thankful.
     
  10. brettchko

    brettchko 4th deg bk. belt Full Member

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    stupid ass lewis shoulda rematched and we wouldnt have to do all this **** :heyyes or no?:huh
     
  11. thesandman

    thesandman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why?

    Bruno didn't get a rematch.
    Tua didn't get a rematch.
    Zelko didn't get a rematch
    Mercer didn't get a rematch
    tony tucker didn't get a rematch


    All lasted as long, if not longer than Vitlay.

    Some wobbled Lewis too.

    None of them got rematches, and none of them fought a 37 yr old at his highest fighting weight either. Most of them fought him when he actually was somewhere near his best.
     
  12. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Lewis did not like his broken nose, or being staggered. Vitali was ready to knock him out.
     
  13. boxon123

    boxon123 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    While on the subject of nationality wasn't LL West Indian via Canada via UK
     
  14. Tszyu

    Tszyu Active Member Full Member

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    Even a prime David Tua would KO Vitali. He is over-rated
     
  15. ballznall

    ballznall Active Member Full Member

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    ...........was watching old ali fights and was trying to imagine vitali in fights I was watching against "da greatest".........I really think V.K. height would have givin ali trouble ..........however 15 rounds is a long time.........? ? 51-49 klitschko...