Offensive fighters with underrated defenses

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  1. Ali4life

    Ali4life Member Full Member

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    These are the type of fighters who are known for their offensive capabilities of taking fighters heads off which overshadowed their defenses. Two that come to mind are Jack Dempsey and Mike Tyson both were aggressive punchers but had some good defense and solid head movement when they chose to. Rocky had some underrated defense as well and very awkward and hard to hit clean. So what are other offensive fighters you can say fit this category.
     
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  2. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Julio Cesar Chavez
     
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  3. Ali4life

    Ali4life Member Full Member

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    good call
     
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  4. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Beat me to it. Popular image and imagination has always underestimated the defensive abilities of Chavez.

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  5. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    Joe Frazier.
     
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  6. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :good In FOTC, up against one of the fastest fighters of all time(regardless of weightclass), Frazier at several points had his hands down and was dodging Ali's punches effortlessly, whilst taunting him. Im surprised people dont make more of a big deal out of that
     
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  7. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    People never do, to me it seemed like when he was being hit, he almost wanted them to land. It was like some sadistic pleasure to him.
     
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  8. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I agree with Frazier's taunting big time, some of his most impressive moments. I can't imagine what was going through Ali's head at that moment. Chavez is also a good shout-out.

    I think offensive fighters in general don't get enough credit for their defense. It seems that the "slick" types for many hold the archetype for the use of defense, where in reality it's a mixture of aesthetic style and a priority for defense that makes it so salient to the average viewer.
     
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  9. Foreman Hook

    Foreman Hook ☆☆☆ G$ora ☆☆☆ Full Member

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    Smokey Joe. :smoke
     
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  10. Guyfawkes

    Guyfawkes Than who was phone?! Full Member

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  11. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fred Apostoli......a very good offensive fighter with some of the best head movements ever.......
     
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  12. Foreman Hook

    Foreman Hook ☆☆☆ G$ora ☆☆☆ Full Member

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    Hobo Jack "Big Issue, sir?" Dempsey is HORRIBLY overrated for his defense. :deal


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  13. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Marciano
     
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  14. RockysSplitNose

    RockysSplitNose Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Rocky Marciano was very canny at avoiding anything coming back his way or at least making it very difficult for anyone he fought to really find him with anything really worthwhile
     
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  15. MadcapMaxie

    MadcapMaxie Guest

    Like most have said Marciano had actually a very good defense, I re-watched the Layne fight and concentrating i found it amazing how many punches he actually avoided

    Henry Armstrong looks like every punch his opponent throws lands but he actually parries and rolls under a huge amount

    Tyson despite having a very obvious right left right left head movement wasn't easy to tag, esp. cleanly

    Jake Lamotta also had very good defense and knew how to roll with punches, a rare art that is pretty much completely forgotten in modern boxing

    Joe Louis was very good at parrying and blocking punches
     
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