Official Olympic Boxing (and possibly other fighting sports) thread

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Vantage_West, Aug 11, 2008.


  1. Kolya

    Kolya Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Actually, we started with 9 and lost Gary Russell before the tournament started.
     
  2. MarcoPolo

    MarcoPolo Active Member Full Member

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    I've just counted and you are right. Sorry about that, my brain temporarily melted.

    However, that still makes 1 boxer still in, 2 beaten on dubious decisions and 6 just straight beaten. Concentrating on the two probably unfair losses is a bit misleading as most of the fighters didn't need to be on the stinky end of a dodgy decision to lose.

    Having two of eight boxers eliminated controversially isn't really evidence of a big conspiracy against the US fighters. I mean Ireland has lost two fighters so far and one of them very definitely won his fight. That doesn't mean that Irish boxers are falling victim to some grand conspiracy.

    On the Andrade loss, I do feel sorry for him. If it was a pro fight, with pro rules and pro judging he would have won easily. Even under the amateur rules, I still think he did enough to win, but it was pretty close. The Korean did some lovely counterpunching.
     
  3. Kolya

    Kolya Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think people are also pissed about Rau'shee's loss. The only two American boxers that really got schooled and outclassed were Molina and Ali.
     
  4. MarcoPolo

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    Rau'shee lost through sheer stupidity. His own or his corners, I don't know. That's pretty galling for anyone who wanted him to win a medal, but there was nothing particularly unfair about it. If you run away thinking you are winning, and it turns out you weren't, you get what you deserve.

    I agree that the only fighters who got schooled or outclassed were Molina and Ali by the way. Most of them lost fights against guys they were on about the same level as, and might well have beaten on another day. But that doesn't make the losses unfair. Only two US boxers lost unfairly IMO. That's bad luck, but it isn't a conspiracy. That **** happens in boxing and as I said before, Andrade's loss wasn't as blatant a robbery as some are making out.

    The US team, with the exception of Wilder, has underperformed, given that they were one of the more talented bunches America has sent to a recent Olympics. I think a lot of blame for that has to rest with the coaching staff. Too often they went in there and fought the other guy's fight or didn't play to the scoring system and consequently they lost fights that could have been won.
     
  5. Waynegrade

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    The Cubans have had some great ones over the years haven`t they. They are well schooled, and they seem to have to truly earn it as well. quote=MarcoPolo]To be fair, I haven't seen any of the Cubans getting gifted a decision. Their boxers have been very good, which just goes to show the strength in depth that they have. This was a team of relative unknowns, shorn of some of their best fighters and they are still doing well.

    Yes, they got favourable draws by and large but so did the Americans and quite a few other teams (including the Irish, who still have three fighters in). There were eleven US boxers to start with. One is still in, two lost to dubious decisions, one lost through sheer stupidity and seven got beaten fair and square. It's all well and good complaining about Warren and Andrade's losses, but the fact is that eight of the others just weren't good enough on the day.

    By the way, I think that Andrade won, but I've seen much worse robberies in the pro game.

    And don't get me started on the Chinese. They have some excellent fighters, but it seems like the only way any of them are going to lose is if they got knocked out cold.[/quote]
     
  6. MrMagic

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    This would be a better year for amatuer boxing, had (in)Fidel Castro not boycotted the 2007 World Championship (the main qualifying tournament:verysad)
     
  7. Smith

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    At the end of the day the American amjatuer scene isn't great from that showing, no crying or excuses aside.

    What I was more than a 100% certain however was that Danny Jacobs would have won gold. Followed him for a good 2 years and was sure he'd gold it at Beijing, o0nly to then find out he didn't qualify. Shambles. America missed a trick there, the boy was good. Care to tell me what happened Kolya?
     
  8. jaco

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    He lost to Shawn Estrada fair and square in the Olympic qualifiers, it was dissapointing but that's the way things are in the amateurs. It's doubtful he would have won Gold anyway, he was destroyed by Korobov a couple of years ago and he would have likely lost to some of the elite Middleweights (Bakhtiyar, Korobov again, Correa possibly). I'm not hating on him, he's a great talent but he didn't perform when he needed to at the trials.
     
  9. MrSmall

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    LOL is that a joke?

    For those that don't get it, Park si Hun is the guy that got the gold instead of RJJ in 88.

    If this is true, crazy. I'll have to see.

    Otherwise, good pun.
     
  10. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    correspondent tage west. giving the low down..






    Bruno Julie i am really impressed with for a 30 year old the guy fights so fluidly and so easily. very slick, mixes up and counterpunches inbetween. kinda reminds me of a demarcus corley.

    chadi-Killich
    killish the taller, form the 1st few secodns he isnt a great talent can box a bit but just too wild to be a sweet scientist. ehm...not sure about that...wait...5-1 in th efirst round!!!! no way (much closer than that).
    2nd round and chadi chases after his and man. he gets 3 points for his troubles. what??!?!? kd bizaar chadi wasnt hurt he was hit with a straight right That was it = standing 8 count. chadi is on the offensive again and a big over hand ritgh catches him . killich has wobbly legs...tch chadi hasnt noticed he hurt him . end of round. shame chadi could of finsihed things.
    3rd rounds. chadi losing clearly but can stop his man. killich has no ressitnace whatsover. every clean punch to the chin hurts him. killich using a boxing jab-cross then hold method for this round. left hook by chadi catches killich again clearly the turk has no way of stopping this and has no way of continuing the tourneyment he will get stopped i feel. the ref is warning killich so much it's rediculas...what...killich just drops to his knees and no response. no points taken off. 7 warnings in the 4th and nothgin is done about it.
    chadi shoudl just kep throwing right hands he will catch him and finish him off sometime.

    end of fight and killich is showing off. "you have a glass jaw my man"

    vasyl lomachenko- li yang.
    vasyl was the one who outboxed the russian fav and the the first upsetter of this olympic tourney. li yang a prospect in china has alot of support.
    good figth methikns.
    it's off, jabs peppering from yang trying to time his man with a ritgh cross. very strange for an orthey trying to jab a southpaw very awkward for a ritgh hander. vasyl not giving him an inch he covers up well and moves even better. great left uppercut from vasyl to the bdoy. oh and another one. great combo's oh my word yang is movign as fast as he can he wants none of it.
    great first round for lomachenko 5-0!!!! at the end of the round yang body drops him.
    2nd round yang holding a bit...no reason why he is way behind. the fans are booign as another point is awarded to vasyl. oh another great round. this is clearly a mismatch. yang isnt a bad fighter he just has no response to what he is taking. a jab corss by yang gets countered by a great 1-2-3.
    huge cheer goes up as li landed a left hook. still 7-1 to lomachenko
    3rd round lomachenko way ahead. the hamed tactics come out now. he is using great leg movment. lol lomachenko ducks a right hand and yang fly's into the ropes.

    this is embarressing. yang cant get him and vasyl canI.E. stop the fight. 3-1 as the 3rd round ends. it was clearly a lomachneko round. coudl of got an extra 3 to be honest.

    4th roudn is just vasyl taking the ****. body shots are slowing yang down. no the bell rings and it's finsihed.

    12-3 big shut out. yang had nothing on him.
     
  11. Vantage_West

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    mexico's Arturo Santos Reyes vs french hopeful Khedafi Djelkhir

    i have seen reyes before and he is a good inside fighter. nice handspeed and power on all his shots.

    they start. very strange both men have goen completly toe to toe. high gaurd all hooks....all action wow great first round the mexican has the better technique and speed and snap bnut djelkhir seems to have a extra dimension i cant really describe it. he'll step out of hook rang ethen come abck witha right cross. inside-counteprunching? good solid hook form both men they havnt moved from the center of the ring. body shots as well form both men this doesnt seem to be a amatuer figth at all. oh djelkhir down ritgh hook when he launched his right cross. not hurt just walked into a punch . he is alritgh but it gave reyes better confidence that eh can drop his man...and he chases after djelkhir djelkhie doesnt budge. he is right infront of him.

    5-3 to mexico into the 3rd round...comepltly lost trakc of time. djelkhir comes out strong very strong, oh uppercut-hook gets djelkhir a point. reyes covers up and starts to do a huge 6 hit combo all onto djekhirs gloves. to which he gets a sharp left hook and a rigth cross.
    great round for khadafi djelkhir. 10-7 to djelkhir. thats 7 points in the 3rd round!!!
    4th round and reyes goes serching and djelkhir has changed his battl eplan a boxing sluggin affair. he gets reyes in a inside fight then backs up to give him room to which he throws a jab,cross,hook. i didnt know he had this dimension he is sluggin and boxing now. southpaw now for the frenchman.

    it's finsihed 16-14 great fight, best one of the tourney.

    great sportsmanship as well. both men give each other there congratulations. and both very greatful most proffesional fight ive seen the year at the olympics.
     
  12. thai-hardhitter972

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    Enkhbatyn Badar-Uugan any 1 see this dude fight? This guy is pretty damn good
     
  13. thai-hardhitter972

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    Aside from the cut, I thought Ala Shili was blistering Reye's ass pretty good before this match, but the judges thought otherwise.
     
  14. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    yeah i made a description of him.

    "solid boxer-puncher, nice fients, great straights, not enough instant flash in his legs or hands, low left hand...got caught with right overhand 2 times by aweaker fighter"

    i am surprised by how technically edept these mongolian fighters are. i never knew there was a boxing culture. there was that mongolian who almost upset the cuban 2 days ago. string bean of a guy but very powerful.
     
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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/boxing/7568777.stm

    prices "win" today....he was slightly embaressed as the commentator said "this is not how david price would want to get an olympic boxing medal" he was clealry winning before the injury. and that jab cross he lands for he 2nd point was a corker