Official Pavlik VS. Martinez Poll--April 17th

Care to explain which fights this happened in?

 

Don't be fooled by Sergio's quick hands and feet. He is NOT a "slick boxer." Martinez is a brawler, and he gets into slugging matches in every fight.

 

A brawler wouldn't have had the boxing IQ to counter Paul Williams and force him to be the aggressor. Re watch that fight and look at the different tactics that Martinez used. He would feint Williams, jab to his body to set up head shots and he knew which punches worked. A typical brawlers doesn't have the IQ to read their opponents and adjust the way Martinez does.

 

Williams fought the stupidest fight I've ever seen from him. His punch techique, punch selection, foot positioning, upper body balance control, distance control, tactical clinching, and defense, all stunk. Williams put on a **** poor performance. Martinez fought exactly like he has for the past 10 years. He's a brawler with fast hands and feet. Nothing more.

Being a brawler is not a bad thing if you're good at it. Martinez is good at it, but certainly not great.

 

shows you how many dummies post on here
150 people have picked sergio to beat pav by 12 rds.... atsch

 

Funny thing is, if you check the "Gambling with Stovepipe" thread, probably 2 out of 3 posters who are betting real money are betting on Pav. If you check the vCash stats, it's an even wider margin for Pav.

 

I think Williams knew that he had to put himself at risk, otherwise he didn't have a chance because Martinez was just too fast ( the same way Quintana was too fast in their first fight).

Also, since Martinez is a brawler, how did he consistently beat Cintron to the punch when the majority of that fight was fought at distance? Shouldn't Cintron have the advnatage?

 

yeah while i know that, its just irritating :scaredas:

its obviously a "hate poll" :verysad

 

isnt cintron a welter who turned junior middle? same with williams

pavlik is a full fledged middleweight

martinez is gonna find out what the difference is after the first round is about half way through

 

We're not communicating because we have a problem with terms and definitions. For example, Ray Leonard and Pernell Whitaker were "slick boxers." Calzaghe was an unorthodox brawler with fast hands and feet. Martinez fights like Calzaghe's ******ed sister. Williams made Martinez look far better than he really is by making virtually every mistake he could make. As for beating Cintron to the punch, beating a guy to the punch has nothing to do with being a brawler, a boxer/puncher, or any other style.

 

Its definitely more complicated then the way you put it...LOL because since Pavlik IS naturally bigger, he is slower than Cintron and Williams( not to say that's the case every time a smaller fighter moves up in weight) who are also counter punchers, unlike Pavlik.

 

Calzaghe was an unorthodox brawler with ''slick'' boxing skill. In fact he boxed circles around Kessler (who many felt had the technical advantage going in).

As i said, Williams always struggles with southpaw boxers who circles him ( neutralizing his work rate) and it takes skill to be able to accomplish that.

Also, my point wasn't that Martinez was just beating Cintron to the punch. The point was that Martinez was doing it in the middle of the ring where boxers ( such as Cintron) normally controls distance. Like i said, its the tactics that Martinez uses that makes him a ''slick boxer''. He knows how to control distance, he jabs, he feints, he lures his opponents in and is a very good counter puncher. These are not the qualities of a brawler with just ''fast feet and hands''.

 

If we are going to try to label Sergio's style with a simple, but accurate definitive term, "swarmer" probably fits better than brawler. However, "brawler" does not carry the derogatory connotations you seem to think it does.

 

Williams fights the same every time he fights! He just tries to throw alot of punches. Martinez on the other hand is good at what he does & is my choice.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl

What's to discuss ?

It was a very bloody and one-sided beatdown.

What more can I tell you ?