Official result or your own scores ? Which takes precedent when ranking boxers ?

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  1. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, there's no point giving an opinion if it's not your own.

    If a fight is close and could have gone either way but you gave it to the guy that lost the official decision, the right thing to do is to credit both guys near equally, but to put slightly more credit in the corner of the guy you felt won.
     
    sweet_scientist, Nov 26, 2011
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  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Yes more credit should ALWAYS be given to the guy YOU think did better. I can't possibly see why that wouldn't be the case.
     
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  3. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Perhaps it wouldn't be the case if you felt the official jusges were more qualified to determine the score. Assuming again, that it was close and controversial.
     
    cuchulain, Nov 26, 2011
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  4. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If your belief in your own analysis is that weak, than I suppose so.
     
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  5. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    No necessarily.

    It might well be the case (again, as I mentioned, in close fights), that you decide to defer to the experience and expertise of the judges in close fights.

    A case in point would be SRL.

    A good number of fans believe Hagler won.

    If we rank on that basis, then Leonard's standing drops considerably.

    He would have no decent wins north of 154, and would be considered possibly a two-division champion.



    (His two-titles-in-one-fight effort with Lalonde was very dodgy and artificial, given the circumstances of that event.)
     
    cuchulain, Nov 26, 2011
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  6. lufcrazy

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    Kid gavilan. Everything i've read tells me that aside from robinson and the odd mw he wasn't legitimately beaten until after losing to his title. On that basis I have him number 2 ww. Whittaker by my cards beat everyone he fought until tito, on that basis I have him top 20 p4p.
     
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  7. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    the official means more. The decision means everything regardless of public opinion. JMM still has not beaten Pacman.
     
    MAG1965, Nov 26, 2011
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  8. teeto

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    I go with my own scores, I ain't gunna lie to fit in. By the same token I have no problem what so ever with people going off the official decision, provided they agreed with it.
     
    teeto, Nov 27, 2011
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  9. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Is that not a problem to you?
     
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  10. lufcrazy

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    Say your compiling a smw top 30 list, would you be happy placing leonard above tommy purely because he got "the decision"
     
    lufcrazy, Nov 27, 2011
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  11. lufcrazy

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    If i'm totally honest, official results as just interim results to me until i've researched further by watching the fight or reading ringside accounts.
     
    lufcrazy, Nov 27, 2011
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  12. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    exactly, you just checkmated him, he talks ****
     
    teeto, Nov 27, 2011
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  13. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    At SMW, Leonard didn't get the decision.
     
    cuchulain, Nov 27, 2011
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  14. teeto

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    he's saying if he did, because he knows that MAG scored it for Hearns, he's palying Devils advocate
     
    teeto, Nov 27, 2011
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  15. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Fair enough.
     
    cuchulain, Nov 27, 2011
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