Official Survey (Original 8 + ATG)

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Yep a decade or so ago.

    Many of the posters who contributed then are no longer around, there were approximately 40 and they were indeed quite naughty.
     
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  2. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Does this mean you’ll submit a list?
     
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  3. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  4. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have to be in the mood for making lists so not this time around :)
     
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  5. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    I'm not sure if I understood the concept (especially as there were only 1 - 2 original weight classes, not eight), but I try:

    Heavyweight:
    1. Rocky Marciano
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Gene Tunney
    4. James j. Jeffries
    5. John L. Sullivan
    6. Jack Johnson
    7. George Foreman
    8. Larry Holmes
    9. Riddick Bowe
    10. Muhammed Ali
    11. Mike Tyson
    12. Jack Dempsey
    13. Jersey Joe Walcott
    14. Lennox Lewis
    15. Max Schmeling
    16. James John Corbett
    17. Vitaly Klitschko
    18. Sonny Liston
    19. Evander Holyfield
    20. Floyd Patterson
    21. Harry Wills
    22. Wladimir Klitschko
    23. Tommy Burns
    24. Peter Jackson
    25. Ezzard Charles
    26. Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
    27. Ingemar Johansson
    28. Michael Moorer
    29. Max Baer
    30. Joey Choyinsky

    Light-Heavyweight:
    1. Archie Moore
    2. Michael Spinks
    3. Roy Jones Jr.
    4. Henry Maske
    5. Tommy Loughran
    6. Dariusz Michalczewsky
    7. Robert Foster
    8. Tommy Gibbons
    9. Virgil Hill
    10. **** Tiger
    11. Bill Conn
    12. Georges Carpentier
    13. Max Rosenbloom
    14. Michael Moorer
    15. John Henry Lewis
    16. Harold Johnson
    17. Charles Williams
    18. Matthew Saad Muhammed
    19. Jose Torres
    20. Mickaey Walker
    21. Muhammed Dwight Qawie
    22. Zsolt Erdei
    23. Battling Lewinsky
    24. Chad Dawson
    25. Victor Galindez
    26. Jimmy Bivins
    27. Billy Miske
    28. Adonis Stevenson
    29. Gus Lesnewich
    30. Willie Pastoer
    Middleweight:
    1. Carlos Monzon
    2. Edward Henry Greb
    3. Marvin Hagler
    4. Stanley Ketchel
    5. Laszló Papp
    6. Roy Jones Jr.
    7. Ray Robinson
    8. Gennady Golovkin
    9. Jake La Motta
    10. Michael Nunn
    11. Robert Fitzsimmons
    12. Paul Pender
    13. Bernard Hopkins
    14. Gerald McCleallan
    15. Thomas Hearns
    16. Mickey Walker
    17. Rocky Graziano
    18. Gene Fullmer
    19. Julian Jackson
    20. **** Tiger
    21. Marcel Cerdan
    22. Tony Zale
    23. Rubin Carter
    24. Arthur Abraham
    25. Carmin Basilo
    26. Nino Benvenuti
    27. Tiger Flowers
    28. James Toney
    29. Jack Dempsey
    30. Joey Giardello
    Welterweight:

    1. Ray Robinson
    2. Jake Briton
    3. Henry Armstrong
    4. Ted Lewis
    5. Pernell Whitaker
    6. Emile Griffith
    7. Felix Trinidad
    8. Thomas Hearns
    9. Kid Gavilàn
    10. Mickey Walker
    11. Ray Leonard
    12. Jose Napoles
    13. Floyd Mayweather
    14. Lloyd Honeyghan
    15. Ike Quartey
    16. Carmen Basilo
    17. Shane Mosley
    18. Donald Curry
    19. Pippo Cuevas
    20. Wilfried Benitez
    21. Marlon Starling
    22. Barbados Joe Walcott
    23. Mark Breland
    24. Luís Manuel Rodriguez
    25. Antonio Margarito
    Lightweight:
    1. Benny Leonard
    2. Lou Ambers
    3. Shane Mosley
    4. Henry Armstrong
    5. Joe Gans
    6. Artur Grigorian
    7. Alexis Arguello
    8. Roberto Duran
    9. Pernell Whitaker
    10. Oskar Nelson
    11. Miguel Angel Gonzalez
    12. Carlo Ortiz
    13. Ike Williams
    14. Julio Cesar Chavez
    15. Juan Manuel Marquez
    16. Ismael Laguna
    17. Floyd Mayweather
    18. Ken Buchanan
    19. Oleksandr Nazarov
    20. Ray Mancini
    21. Sammy Angott
    22. Joel Casamayor
    23. Edwin Rosario
    24. Juan Diaz
    25. Beau Jack
    26. Stevie Johnston
    27. Hector Camacho
    28. Mando Ramos
    29. Esteban de Jesus
    30. Jose Luís Ramirez
    Featherweight:
    1. Henry Armstrong
    2. Willie Pep
    3. Salvador Sanchez
    4. Naseem Hamed
    5. Sandy Saddler
    6. Chris John
    7. Ernesto Maciel
    8. Marco Antonio Barrera
    9. Terry McCovern
    10. Alexis Arguello
    11. Freddy Norwood
    12. Azumah Nelson
    13. Abe Attel
    14. Tom Johnson
    15. Jimmy Driscoll
    16. Eusebio Pedroza
    17. Luisito Espinoza
    18. George Dixon
    19. Vincente Saldivar
    20. Sugar Ramos
    Bantamweight:
    1. Carlos Zarate
    2. Eder Joffre
    3. Veeraphol Sahaprom
    4. Manuel Ortiz
    5. Ruben Olivares
    6. Orlando Canizales
    7. Fighting Harada
    8. Rodolfo Martinez
    9. Wladimir Sidorenko
    10. Rafael Herrera
    11. Lupe Pintor
    12. Rafael Marquez
    13. Shinsuke Yamanaka
    14. Chucho Castillo
    15. Anselmo Moreno
    Flyweight:
    1. Jimmy Wilde
    2. Fidel La Barba
    3. Pongsalklek Wonjongkam
    4. Benny Lynch
    5. Pancho Villa
    6. Midget Wolgast
    7. Miguel Canto
    8. Frankie Genaro
    9. Yuri Arbaschakow
    10. Omar Andrés Narváez
    11. Horacio Accavallo
    12. Masao Oba
    13. Fighting Harada
    14. Small Montana
    15. Betulio Gonzalez
    16. Salvator Burruni
    17. Shoji Oguma
    18. Pone Kingpech
    19. Johnny Hill
    20. Pasqual Perez
    Pound for Pound:
    1. Roy Jones Jr.
    2. Teofilo Stevenson
    3. Ricardo Lopez
    4. Henry Armstrong
    5. Edward Henry Greb
    6. Laszló Papp
    7. Floyd Mayweather
    8. Felix Savon
    9. Ray Robinson
    10. Thomas Hearns
    11. Rocky Marciano
    12. Julio Cesar Chavez
    13. Joe Louis
    14. Carlos Monzon
    15. Archie Moore
    16. Benny Leonard
    17. Gene Tunney
    18. Marvin Hagler
    19. Pernell Whitaker
    20. Willie Pep
    21. Jake Briton
    22. Michael Spinks
    23. Aaron Pryor
    24. Marco Antonio Barrera
    25. Ted Lewis
    26. Lou Ambers
    27. Alexis Arguello
    28. Carlos Zarate
    29. Stanley Ketchel
    30. Salvador Sanchez
    31. Eder Joffre
    32. Jimmy Wilde
    33. Ray Leonard
    34. Mickey Walker
    35. Khaosai Galaxy
     
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  6. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Without a doubt the worst lists I have seen on this forum in my 16 years here.
     
  7. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Bit of a Gobshite Full Member

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    Always supplying the good stuff. :thumbsup:
     
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  8. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Are you going to counter with one of your own?
     
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  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    @Rumsfeld do you think it's worth including the lists of the last survey for the non active members?

    Gives a bigger sample and thus a more accurate result
     
  10. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would personally not want to see such a thing. After all, in endeavors like this, is there really such a thing as "accurate?" I think any new trends we see with the new lists should happen more organically rather than being led down the path by the previous lists.

    If I understood what you were saying correctly.
     
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  11. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I wasn't suggesting the get posted. Just tabulated in the final result.
     
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  12. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    I haven't checked, but is anybody else voting on active fighters?
     
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  13. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Just been reading through the original thread.
     
  14. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    Well maybe when your are adult, you will be able to think deeper and regret it.:thinking:

    Maybe you have not seen many lists here.:buenrollo: I you like such with Fury on the top of all time and with Nichols included, when it is your taste...
     
  15. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Bit of a Gobshite Full Member

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    I don't think there's a rule against it. More a near unanimity that they're not good enough to make these lists. Pacquiao aside, obviously.
     
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