Ok I give in, Usyk is in the GOAT convo

A majority of Holyfield's losses were over the age of 40 after a long hard career full of wars. I would think a balanced opinion would not count those losses against Holyfield.

Holyfield won plenty against notable names at Heavyweight ? Thomas, Dokes, Mercer, Douglas, Bowe, Tyson, Moorer, Holmes, Foreman, etc.

Usyk's resume at Heavyweight isn't on the same level as Holyfield's and I think people are getting a bit too carried away.

I'm a big fan of Usyk hes a great talent and definitely an ATG but rating him above Holyfield is crazy to me. Holyfield has so much more depth to his resume at Heavyweight.

 

The Bowe and Moorer losses matter. The way I see it is that Usyk has the best Cruiserweight resume. Holyfield has the better HW resume, but he took 3 bad losses. Losses that Usyk would never take. I can see Lewis beating Usyk, but Bowe and Moorer do not look good.

 

But still Usyk has no where the depth of Holyfield's Heavyweight resume. That's not Usyk's fault of course but it's still a fact Holyfield has many more notable wins at Heavyweight including 3 wins against ATGs Heavyweights Holmes, Tyson, Foreman. Ok Foreman and Holmes were old but still very competent fighters at that age rated amongst top 10.

 

Bowen and Tyson are indeed better NAMES, I don't think they're better wins. I agree he's not close to being the GOAT though.

 

Not Povetkin

 

I don't. He has not fought enough to get any ATG HW accolades beyond being the best HW of his era.

At LHW the same is true of Beterbiev. Theres just no getting around it.

Its been a few days since the fight. People are overreacting like they do with everything.

 

The same should apply to Foreman he had some left. He was slower but had a better chin and endurance at this point + more power and he would put aj under more pressure. I personally don't see old Povetkin being more dangerous than old Foreman.... Old Foreman would have beaten that version

 

My point is Holyfield just has too much depth and too many quality names for Usyk to be rated above Holyfield at Heavyweight.

I'm not hating on Usyk I'm just giving my honest opinion.

 

Agree 100% with everything stated here. Usyk is indeed the most talented HW around, but he looks good against guys that just flat out cannot box.

Michael Dokes, to just pick a random name from the past, would KO Usyk, never mind what he'd do to AJ, Fury, Parker or anyone else.