Ok I give in, Usyk is in the GOAT convo

My top ten HWs as of Rummy's 2020 compilation.

Their records, and their (possible) three best names/wins.

To be kind to Usyk, I've only included THREE names / wins.
Most of these guys could list a fair few more top wins.
Usyk's HW resume currently needs a little more depth.

1. Muhammad Ali...........56-5-0. Foreman, Liston, Frazier,
2. Joe Louis....................66-3-0. Schmeling, Walcottt, Baer
3. Lennox Lewis..............41-2-1. Klitschko, Briggs, Holyfield
4. George Foreman.........76-5-0. Frazier, Norton, Moorer
5. Rocky Marciano..........49-0-0. Charles, Walcott, Louis
6. Larry Holmes...............69-6-0. Norton, Cooney, Mercer
7. Joe Frazier...................32-4-1. Ali, Quarry, Bonaveno
8. Mike Tyson...................50-6-0. Tucker, Ruddock, Spinks
9. Sonny Liston................50-4-0. Patterson, Machen, Williams
10. Wladimir Klitschko......64-5-0 Chagaev, Byrd ,Peter


Oleksandr Usyk................6-0-0 Fury, Joshua, Dubois



I think Usyk need to do a little more to crack my top ten Heavy weight list.
He's not there........yet !




My top ten p4p as of Rummy's 2020 compilation.

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Sam Langford
3. Harry Greb
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Roberto Duran
6. Hank Armstrong
7. Bob Fitzsimmons
8. Willie Pep
9. Joe Louis
10. Ezzard Charles


Again, I can't see anyone there I could move out to make way for Oleksandr.

Not yet !

 

No, he probably would not.

He was thought by some (myself included) to be the future of the division in his early twenties.
He got a piece of the title but lost it in his first defence.

In his prime he edged out Jimmy Young (who was ten years older) on points.

At 25, he got KTFO by Gerrie Coetzee.
At 30, he got KTFO by Holy.
At 31, he got KTFO by Ruddock

fought nobodies for the next four years.

At 34 he got KTFO by Bowe

Finished out career fighting nobodies.

In his prime he edged out Jimmy Young who was ten years older and shopworn, coming off three losses.
And he had a draw with former cruiser, Ossie Ocassio

I don't see him KOing Usyk

 

No.

He made some ****ing dreadful points.

He was jerking himself off all over his keyboard.

1000 HWs greater the Usyk.

Why don't you ask him to name 100.

Or 50 ?

Or 25 ?

 

And it wouldn’t even be close.

‘Tank’ has done anything to even be mentioned with The PFP Champ. And I’m not hating. Just keeping it real

 

Sometimes they are under the influence of the anti-Usyk.

 

Great thread with great points made on all sides. Enjoyed this one.

 

When I figure a head-to-head matchup, I am usually thinking of each fighter at their best. I think that Michael Dokes at his best would KO Usyk at his best. I know that Dokes had an up and down career which is an understatement but when he was at his best he was very good, better than Oleksandr.

I honestly do believe that the quality difference has dropped tremendously there is no one around today who can really fight and box, apart from Usyk.

So there you go for my miserable old boxing curmudgeon Rose tinted glasses those were the days views LOL

 

Barrios is tbh.

I'd say Pitbull beat him. Garcia is not very good. Pedraza was old and shot. Santa Cruz looked tiny against Tank

 

Just like Lennox

 

Greatest fighters in the last 30 years

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Roy Jones Jr
5. Oleksandr Usyk

 

I think 90s was when heavyweight boxing was at it's most dangerous. Ignoring that, would you mind telling me their top 10 wins ? We know the answer will be quite funny

 

I was around then too.

I was thinking that either Michael Dokes or Greg Page would become ATGs....maybe both.

But Dokes was inconsistent.

IMO, both Dokes and Usyk are skilled boxers, about the same size.

Usyk hasn't had off days and has a strong will to win. Therefore, I lean towards him winning.


And IF, he lost, I find it difficult to see him losing by KO.


Still, maybe I have it wrong.

We can never know for sure.

 

I can tell you Lennox's top 5 wins, how about that?

-37 year old Holyfield, who after his close fights with Lennox, had no notable wins.
-Tough fight, arguable loss against old Mercer who coming off a loss and draw and who had no notable victories after.
-Old slow Tony Tucker (and not the young, fast one Tyson fought)
-Mental breakdown Golota
-Frank Bruno, where he had to resort to an illegal KO

Lennox is a good fighter, but his resume is smokes and mirrors. Please stop deluding yourself